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    This from a friend who's brother, another friend and Vietnam Veteran recently deceased and without adequate healthcare, relying on the VA to do their part. WTF...



    forwarded e-mail

    This really upsets me to no end.
    How dare he say these things.
    Time to get him out of the White House I hope he doesn't get re- elected to another term.
    He should be forced to spend time in the military and see first hand the hell these men & women are put thru and see just what they leave behind to defend our freedom. Some vets come home to NO house as it's been foreclosed on while over serving. Not right- our vets aren't made of money they work just like the rest of us.
    Changes need to be made up in DC that future presidental canidates have to of served in the armed forces.
    Ok I'll stop complaining but this is very wrong for our Commander I. Chife to of said such hurtful things.
    I am still waiting for a reply from the letter I personally sent him after Doyle passed away.

    Sincerely;
    Sister of a veteran( now deceased)


    Begin forwarded message:
    From: deleted
    Date: June 12, 2010 3:41:16 PM CDT
    To: undisclosed recipients: ;
    Subject: Obama Says Veterans Are Whiners]


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    Wow...this is just crazy and so sad.





    Just a refresher course in what the “Commander-in-Chief” thinks of his troops.



    THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT EVER MADE BY A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, LET ALONE BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND "COMMANDER IN CHIEF" OF OUR MILITARY.




    HERE IS HIS RESPONSE WHEN HE BACKED OFF FROM HIS DECISION TO REQUIRE THE MILITARY PAY FOR THEIR WAR INJURIES.

    Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require veterans carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540 million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries to military personnel received during their tours on active duty. The President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal.




    "Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained.
    "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn't compute.. I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country", Obama continued.
    "I wasn't asking for blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."


    Please pass this on to everyone, especially veterans and their
    families whom you know.


    REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT... "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice?"





    If this jerk thinks he will ever get another vote from anyone who is or has been associated with the military service he's nuts.. If you or a family member is serving or has served their country, please send this to them.

    I'm guessing that everyone, other than the 20-25 percent hardcore liberals in the US , will agree that this is another example of why Obama is the worst president in American history. Remind everyone over-and-over how this man thinks.

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  • #2
    And another from the lonelyconservative.com



    The leader of The American Legion, Commander David K. Rehbein, met with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to bill private insurance companies for service-connected disabilities and injuries suffered by military veterans. Commander Rehbein said he is “deeply disappointed and concerned” after speaking with the president.

    Commander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm’s way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran’s condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits. The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits.

    ”I got the distinct impression that the only hope of this plan not being enacted,” said Commander Rehbein, “is for an alternative plan to be developed that would generate the desired $540-million in revenue. The American Legion has long advocated for Medicare reimbursement to VA for the treatment of veterans. This, we believe, would more easily meet the President’s financial goal. We will present that idea in an anticipated conference call with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel in the near future.

    This is outrageous. It’s just another example of Obama’s priorities. He believes the government has an obligation to provide free health care to millions of Americans who choose not to purchase insurance, yet he doesn’t believe the government has an obligation to cover medical costs of veterans injured in service to our nation.

    Anyone with experience in the workers’ compensation insurance industry knows that an injured worker isn’t responsible for treatment connected to work related injuries and neither is his or her private health insurance company. If a medical provider bills a private health insurer for medical treatment connected to a work injury the private insurer has a right to reimbursement.The employer and it’s insurance carrier are liable. A serious workers’ compensation claim can’t be settled without the permission of the United States government (for which they make the employers and carriers jump through hoops). The reason is that Medicare and Medicaid shouldn’t be on the hook for work related injuries. This is as it should be.

    Apparently, Obama doesn’t want the government to practice what it preaches. Shouldn’t the government, who sends our troops into harm’s way, be held to the same standard as private employers? If members of the US military were big Democratic party supporters it’s doubtful Obama would have made such a proposal.

    This is a slap in the face to the men and women who serve our nation. Covering deadbeats on the backs of American veterans is certainly not “change we can believe in!”

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    • #3
      From FOXNews


      First 100 Days
      Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan for Private Insurance to Pay for Service-Related Health Care

      Published March 17, 2009
      | FOXNews.com

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      President Obama's plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs for the treatment of troops injured in service has infuriated veterans groups who say the government is morally obligated to pay for service-related medical care.

      Calling it a "desperate search for money at any cost," Craig Roberts, media relations manager for the American Legion, told FOXNews.com on Tuesday that the president will "wish away so much political capital on this issue" if he continues to insist on private coverage for service-related injuries.

      Cmdr. David K. Rehbein of the American Legion, the nation's largest veterans group, called the president's plan to raise $540 million from private insurers unreasonable, unworkable and immoral.

      "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate 'to care for him who shall have borne the battle,' given that the United States government sent members of the Armed Forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies," Rehbein said late Monday after a meeting with the president and administration officials at the Veterans Affairs Department.

      "I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service-connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans," Rehbein said.

      Roberts said that 11 veterans service organizations were told to come up with another plan if they didn't like this one. The groups met on Monday with Obama, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki and Office of Management and Budget defense spending chief Steven Kosiak.

      "What we've been tasked with now is to raise this money through alternative means and we're supposed to have a conference call in two or three days ... with Rahm Emanuel. So the implication was ... you guys come up with a better idea or this is what's going to happen," Roberts said.

      A summary of the proposed budget says the president wants to increase funding for VA by $25 billion over five years, and bring more than 500,000 eligible veterans of modest income into the VA health care system by 2013.

      However, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Tuesday that no plans have been enumerated yet about veterans health care.

      "Let me not make the case for a decision that this administration hasn't made yet regarding the final disposition or decision on third-party billing as it relates to service-related injuries," he said.

      "The veteran service organizations ... can have confidence that the budget the president has proposed represents an historic increase in discretionary spending to take care of our wounded warriors, those that have been sent off to war, have protected our freedom, and have come back wounded," Gibbs continued.

      But Roberts said the president's plan would increase premiums, make insurance unaffordable for veterans and impose a massive hardship on military families. It could also prevent small businesses from hiring veterans who have large health care needs, he said.

      "The president's avowed purpose in doing this is to, quote, 'make the insurance companies pay their fair share,'" Roberts said. "It's not the Blue Cross that puts soldiers in harm's way, it's the federal government."

      Roberts said that the American Legion would like the existing system to remain in place. Service-related injuries currently are treated and paid for by the government. The American Legion has proposed that Medicare reimburse the VA for the treatment of veterans.

      He added that the argument about the government's moral obligation to treat wounded soldiers, sailors and Marines fell on deaf ears during the meeting.

      "The president deflected any discussion when it got into any moral issue here," he said. "Any attempt to direct the conversation (to the moral discussion) was immediately deflected."

      Private insurance is separate for troops who need health care unrelated to their service. But Roberts noted that if a wounded warrior comes back and needs ongoing treatment, he or she could run up "to the max of the coverage in very short order," leaving his family with nothing

      Roberts added that how the plan would raise $540 million "is a great mystery and it seems to be an arbitrary number. ... The commander said it seemed like this phantom number."

      Monday's meeting was preceded by a letter of protest earlier this month signed by Rehbein and the heads of 10 service organizations. It read that "there is simply no logical explanation" for the plan to bill veterans' personal insurance "for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide."

      The letter called it "unconscionable" to shift the burden of the country's "fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country." Rehbein testified to both the House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees on those same points last week

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      • #4
        Please excuse my lack of technogeek in posting links and such. I'm still in second grade with computer stuff. Now give me some green wood, fire, and a blanket and I can start a grass roots movement nationwide, it'll just take a couple of months.


        This just made me ill when I read it.

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        • #5
          another week....another fake email chain about how awful obama is.

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          • #6
            http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/veteranshealth.asp

            Another false chain e-mail. The comments allegedly attributed to Obama were from a satirical piece. As to the proposal to bill some claims to veteran' private health insurance plans, that was scrapped last year, almost immediately after it was first proposed.
            Last edited by BigPat; 06-14-2010, 09:21 PM.

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            • #7
              why is the anti-Obama crowd so gullible ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dlo View Post
                why is the anti-Obama crowd so gullible ?
                It's not being gullible, it's that they are stupid. I wish they would quit using vets to try to serve their cause.
                "The deepest human defeat suffered by human beings is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mjhoyt27 View Post
                  It's not being gullible, it's that they are stupid. I wish they would quit using vets to try to serve their cause.
                  Just as stupid as the lefties apparently. A quick check of Snopes shows just as many (if not more) ludicrous e-mails about George W. as there is about Obama.

                  How soon you guys forget....
                  Originally posted by kontemplerande
                  Without Germany, you would not have won World War 2.

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                  • #10
                    It was reported in the news by several sources. Go away d-bag.

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                    • #11
                      Obviously the issue isn't as dead as some of you would think. And how many of you have actually been to a VA hospital facility in the last year.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by katseiye View Post
                        Obviously the issue isn't as dead as some of you would think. And how many of you have actually been to a VA hospital facility in the last year.
                        Don't bother Katseiye. These guys will circle the wagons and tell you that its not Obama's fault. They'll go into great depth how much worse it was under other Presidents and even if it is bad now, its the fault of underlings that Obama has no control over.
                        Originally posted by kontemplerande
                        Without Germany, you would not have won World War 2.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by katseiye View Post
                          It was reported in the news by several sources. Go away d-bag.
                          The first chain email you posted was proven wrong in the news, and on this very forum months ago. The veteran' private health insurance plan was talked about over a year ago and was thrown out shortly there after.
                          Last edited by mjhoyt27; 06-14-2010, 10:02 PM.
                          "The deepest human defeat suffered by human beings is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by katseiye View Post
                            Obviously the issue isn't as dead as some of you would think. And how many of you have actually been to a VA hospital facility in the last year.
                            I was at one on Monday.
                            "The deepest human defeat suffered by human beings is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SRT936 View Post
                              Just as stupid as the lefties apparently. A quick check of Snopes shows just as many (if not more) ludicrous e-mails about George W. as there is about Obama.

                              How soon you guys forget....
                              I didn't forget anything. Just cause people on the left were stupid enough to believe some crazy chain emails, like Bush was behind 9/11, doesn't change the fact that people on the right stupid for believing chain emails like the first one posted in this thread.
                              "The deepest human defeat suffered by human beings is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become."

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