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  • House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate

    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writer – 50 mins ago

    WASHINGTON – The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

    Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and "take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people."

    The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

    If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

    "The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.

    Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

    Nonetheless, the House vote provided an important lesson in how to succeed with less-than-perfect party unity, and one that Senate Democrats may be able to adapt. House Democrats overcame their own divisions and broke an impasse that threatened the bill after liberals grudgingly accepted tougher restrictions on abortion funding, as abortion opponents demanded.

    In Senate, the stumbling block is the idea of the government competing with private insurers. Liberals may have to swallow hard and accept a deal without a public plan in order to keep the legislation alive. As in the House, the compromise appears to be to the right of the political spectrum.

    Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who voted for a version of the Senate bill in committee, has given the Democrats a possible way out. She's proposing to allow a government plan as a last resort, if after a few years premiums keep escalating and local health insurance markets remain in the grip of a few big companies. This is the "trigger" option.

    That approach appeals to moderates such as Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La. "If the private market fails to reform, there would be a fallback position," Landrieu said last week. "It should be triggered by choice and affordability, not by political whim."

    Lieberman said he opposes the public plan because it could become a huge and costly entitlement program. "I believe the debt can break America and send us into a recession that's worse than the one we're fighting our way out of today," he said.

    For now, Reid is trying to find the votes for a different approach: a government plan that states could opt out of.

    The Senate is not likely to jump ahead this week on health care. Reid will keep meeting with senators to see if he can work out a political formula that will give him not only the 60 votes needed to begin debate, but the 60 needed to shut off discussion and bring the bill to a final vote.

    Toward the end of the week, the Congressional Budget Office may report back with a costs and coverage estimate on Reid's bill, which he assembled from legislation passed by the Finance Committee and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. The Finance Committee version does not include a government plan.

    Reid has pledged to Obama that he will get the bill done by the end of the year and remains committed to doing that, according to a Senate leadership aide.

    Both the House and Senate bills gradually would extend coverage to nearly all Americans by providing government subsidies to help pay premiums. The measures would bar insurers' practices such as charging more to those in poor health or denying them coverage altogether.

    All Americans would be required to carry health insurance, either through an employer, a government plan or by purchasing it on their own.

    To keep down costs, the government subsidies and consumer protections don't take effect until 2013. During the three-year transition, both bills would provide $5 billion in federal dollars to help get coverage for people with medical problems who are turned down by private insurers.

    Both House and Senate would expand significantly the federal-state Medicaid health program for low-income people.

    The majority of people with employer-provided health insurance would not see changes. The main beneficiaries would be some 30 million people who have no coverage at work or have to buy it on their own. The legislation would create a federally regulated marketplace where they could shop for coverage.

    The are several major differences between the bills.

    _The House would require employers to provide coverage; the Senate does not.

    _The House would pay for the coverage expansion by raising taxes on upper-income earners; the Senate uses a variety of taxes and fees, including a levy on high-cost insurance plans.

    _The House plan costs about $1.2 trillion over 10 years; the Senate version is under $900 billion.

    By defusing the abortion issue — at least for now — the House may have helped the long-term prospects for the bill. Catholic bishops also eager to expand society's safety net may yet endorse the final legislation.

    Lieberman appeared on "Fox News Sunday," while Graham was CBS' "Face the Nation."
    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

  • #2
    I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
    "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
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    "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
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    “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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    • #3
      I hope this dies a quick death but they will pass something and I just hope we are able to fix it later.

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      • #4
        If it passes - in any shape or form - it'll be impossible to undo it. Health insurance (in any mutation- either government run or private) will soon be all screwed up and bankrupt. Or the people who actually pay taxes will be broke. There is nothing good that come of this.
        "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
        ______________________________________________

        "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
        ______________________________________________

        “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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        • #5
          It looks like another entitlement that once in place will go the same way as SS or Medicare. If there were actually any way the thing built up a surplus Congress would just raid like they did SS for Johnsons Great Society.

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          • #6
            It won't work if 15 million uninsured Americans refuse to buy it, or pay the fine!

            The question is how many LE will go along with the order to pick up and arrest those who for Constitutional reasons have not paid for this government mafia insurance?
            Hmmm?

            Try to put 15 million of us in jail and see where you get!

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