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  • Conservative Bible Project

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

    Well....... there it goes again.
    Young people will change the old wicked ways of the past.sigpic

  • #2
    There goes what again? Are you trying to make a point?

    It looks like an online effort by perhaps a single individual, it isn't clear. One of the key differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are typically reluctant to change unless there's a compelling reason to do so. It's unlikely they will toss out their favorite Bible in favor of that one, assuming it ever gets completed.

    So you can sleep soundly for a while yet before the evil conservatives come beating you over the head with their new and improved Bibles.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by E3CSHARP
      Well....... there it goes again.
      I fail to see why anyone would post such a derisive comment to possibly inflame, without a thought of their own, to only (possibly) be surprised or later lash back at comments that will be directed to what the liberal, non-patriotic, socialists/Marxist's of Obamanation and his faithful zombies do in attacking others religious beliefs in this country.
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      " 'Blessed are the Peacemakers', is, I suppose, to be understood in the other world, for in this one they are frequently cursed." - Benjamin Franklin

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      • #4
        Translating the bible with the preconceived and intentional goal of politically agendizing its content is sort of low and many would argue a bastardization of the religion.
        "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

        — John Stuart Mill

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Citizen85 View Post
          Translating the bible with the preconceived and intentional goal of politically agendizing its content is sort of low and many would argue a bastardization of the religion.
          True, but their (his?) point is that it's already been done and needs to be more accurately translated into the contemporary language. Which usually is the motivation behind a translation. I don't agree that it needs to be done but the agenda seems to be no different.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JasperST View Post
            There goes what again? Are you trying to make a point?

            It looks like an online effort by perhaps a single individual, it isn't clear. One of the key differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are typically reluctant to change unless there's a compelling reason to do so. It's unlikely they will toss out their favorite Bible in favor of that one, assuming it ever gets completed.

            So you can sleep soundly for a while yet before the evil conservatives come beating you over the head with their new and improved Bibles.
            ok.
            Originally posted by kcso View Post
            I fail to see why anyone would post such a derisive comment to possibly inflame, without a thought of their own, to only (possibly) be surprised or later lash back at comments that will be directed to what the liberal, non-patriotic, socialists/Marxist's of Obamanation and his faithful zombies do in attacking others religious beliefs in this country.
            ok.
            Young people will change the old wicked ways of the past.sigpic

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kcso View Post
              I fail to see why anyone would post such a derisive comment to possibly inflame, without a thought of their own, to only (possibly) be surprised or later lash back at comments that will be directed to what the liberal, non-patriotic, socialists/Marxist's of Obamanation and his faithful zombies do in attacking others religious beliefs in this country.
              The only people making a mockery of religion are the folks at "conservapedia".

              Why do you always complain and whine about people making derisive comments about others and their opinions when you are the worst offender on this whole forum?

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              • #8
                http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...rvative_bible/

                Salon fixes the Bible's liberal bias
                How The World Works

                Salon composite/Wikipedia

                Liberal bias can be found in the unlikeliest of places these days, and it's often the people you'd least suspect who are responsible for it. Who, after all, would suspect England's King James I, who ruled in the 17th century, of leaving the version of the Bible that he commissioned open to subversion by Marxists?

                The folks at Conservapedia, that's who. The Web site founded by Phyllis Schlafly's son Andrew as an alternative to Wikipedia, which bills itself as the only "encyclopedic resource on the internet [that] is free of corruption by liberal untruths." It has started what it's calling the "Conservative Bible Project," because, the article on the project explains, "Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations."

                Now, you may think this is an absurd idea. But here at Salon, we think it's an important project, and that you're all heathens, or worse, Unitarians. We've decided to pitch in and offer some contributions to the new translation. How could we not? Conservapedia is, after all, scrupulously fair and objective. You can tell from its article on President Obama, which discusses the mind control techniques he used during the presidential campaign, includes a lengthy -- and credulous -- discussion of Birther theories and sums up his political beliefs by saying, "Obama's positions have been described as that of a 'Marxist leftist'. On numerous occasions Obama community organizers have been found flaunting banners of Marxist guerrilla and murderer Che Guevara. Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes calls Obama a 'radical communist.'"

                Our contributions are below. But first, a little more on what Conservapedia is looking for in its version of the Bible. The project leaders, a group that includes Schlafly, have come up with a list of 10 basic guidelines, including:

                4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".

                5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots"; using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census

                6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.

                7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning ....

                10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."

                The site also wants to root out what it calls "later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic," like the story of the woman accused of adultery who's saved by Jesus saying, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." And its leaders want to "identify pro-liberal terms used in existing Bible translations, such as 'government', and suggest more accurate substitutes."

                They're also concerned that "Socialistic terminology permeates English translations of the Bible, without justification. This improperly encourages the "social justice" movement among Christians," offering as proof of this assertion, "For example, the conservative word "volunteer" is mentioned only once in the ESV, yet the socialistic word "comrade" is used three times, "laborer(s)" is used 13 times, "labored" 15 times, and "fellow" (as in "fellow worker") is used 55 times."

                So, without further ado, Salon's contributions to the project, beginning with a version of the adulteress story that we think will fit better, with no concerns about accuracy.

                John 8:3-7: The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"

                Jesus bent down and picked up a rock. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "OK, we start on the count of three. And if I see any of you throwing like limp-wristed sissies, you're next."

                Matthew 19:23-24: Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for a Socialist to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for Van Jones to enter the kingdom of God."

                Matthew 9:10-13: While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?"

                On hearing this, Jesus said, "Tax collectors? I had no idea, and wouldn't have eaten with them if I had known, for I favor a flat tax."

                Matthew 5:3-5: Blessed are the GOP, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.

                Blessed are those who mourn the death of Christmas, for they will be comforted.

                Blessed are the children of the rich, for -- once Congress finally eliminates the Death Tax -- they will inherit the earth.

                Matthew 5:17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come to force trial lawyers to stop filing trivial lawsuits every time someone gets hurt and won't take responsibility for themselves.

                Matthew 5:21-22: You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment." But I tell you that a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, so git 'er done.

                Luke 22:17-25: After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."

                And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."

                In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!" They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.

                A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. Jesus said to them, "Reagan. Definitely Reagan."
                ― Salon staff

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BigPat View Post
                  The only people making a mockery of religion are the folks at "conservapedia".

                  Why do you always complain and whine about people making derisive comments about others and their opinions when you are the worst offender on this whole forum?
                  Why even ask, he/she didn't even realize I typed an incomplete sentence intentionally. Now I see it was a good idea, look at his/her response. "Oh dear I post a link to yet another sect who think the bible needs to be more hateful"

                  FYI: In case people cannot look pass their political hatred. This is not about picking sides. This is a specific.....specific....specific.....SPECIFIC GROUP of individuals who desire to change the bible. Whether you want to join them or not does not equates to ALL CONSERVATES/GAYS/LESBIANS/DEMOCRATS/CANADIANS/BRITISH supporting this.
                  Last edited by E3CSHARP; 10-07-2009, 11:06 AM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BigPat View Post
                    The only people making a mockery of religion are the folks at "conservapedia".

                    Why do you always complain and whine about people making derisive comments about others and their opinions when you are the worst offender on this whole forum?
                    Get over yourself bigpat and ask yourself that same question. Try and not be such a hypocrite, if that's even possible.

                    Sorry, I'm not in awe of you and your ramblings like you are. His post was contemptuous, he did seek to inflame by posting an open ended thread and he did exactly what I said he would do, lash back.
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                    • #11
                      I remember a few years ago there was a conservative version of YouTube created to escape the liberal bias and censorship of YouTube. It consisted of conservative oriented videos almost all of which were already available on YouTube....go figure.

                      I can only imagine Conservapedia is pretty much the same. Probably plenty of content overlap the only difference being Wikipedia doesn't classify the Christian creation story as science.
                      "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

                      — John Stuart Mill

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                      • #12
                        I think the idea of publishing a deliberately biased translation of the Bible defeats the purpose of the Bible. The word of God is what it is, and if it favors one view of the world over another, the reader should know that.
                        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DAL View Post
                          I think the idea of publishing a deliberately biased translation of the Bible defeats the purpose of the Bible. The word of God is what it is, and if it favors one view of the world over another, the reader should know that.
                          I'll try it again, not that I agree with the effort. They, he, she or it believes that's what happened with contemporary versions and wants a more accurate translation.

                          The "word of God" (OT & NT) were books and letters originally written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. And there are no original autographs available, although the Dead Sea Scrolls do show a faithful copying process of the OT. The NT did not have that kind of legal tradition and was usually written for a contemporary target language.

                          Translations are not cut and dried or black and white. It's not always easy to translate modern German to modern English, for example. The translator(s) has to interpret the intent and paraphrase the meaning. That means there will always be some level of bias.

                          The more popular translations have gone through many years and many scholars so I'll stick with them. In 50 years we'll know if the Conservapedia Bible had any impact.

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                          • #14
                            LOL BigPat is on Salon.com again... you're mancard has been rejected dude..

                            Just kiddin' around BP...

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                            • #15
                              Don't be so hard on Big Pat. He tries real hard to be a liberal, but isn't very good at it.
                              The liberal politician has the only job where they go to the office to work for everyone but those who pay their salary.

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