A Republican Speaks the Truth On CNN

[Stormy]

Let's face it.

So now, they let Republican Congressman Ron Paul on the Main Stream Media to ask him to explain what's happening. How do you like them apples? If they had given him this kind of air time when his hat was in the ring, he might have scared the banksters straight, and American voters would have a 'real' candidate who understands finances, as president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQsC-F9YRxk.

[exdrip]

I would have liked to see Ron Paul rather then McCain, unfortunately the media wasn't for that. They wouldn't have a good candidate on television for his own gain

[DAL]

The reason for the Paulson / Bernanke plan is that, without it, the finance industry will collapse, business will stagnate and assets will lose a lot of value. In essence, we would have a forced liquidation of the finance sector at fire-sale prices. Many people do not realize it, but their jobs and pensions, and their ability to buy a house or car, are dependent on avoiding financial collapse.

Perhaps we should have a grand compromise:

Do not bail out the financial industry.

Eliminate all welfare, free health care, extended unemployment insurance benefits, subsidies for schools, subsidies for transit, subsidies for Medicare, etc.

[Stormy]

The reason for the Paulson / Bernanke plan is that, without it, the finance industry will collapse, business will stagnate and assets will lose a lot of value. In essence, we would have a forced liquidation of the finance sector at fire-sale prices. Many people do not realize it, but their jobs and pensions, and their ability to buy a house or car, are dependent on avoiding financial collapse.

“Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community. This control may be either exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils or on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, worker, or community ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments.”



“This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.”

Perhaps we should have a grand compromise:

Do not bail out the financial industry.

Eliminate all welfare, free health care, extended unemployment insurance benefits, subsidies for schools, subsidies for transit, subsidies for Medicare, etc.

[DAL]

So, then, I take it that you approve of the "grand compromise"?

Do you want to let the markets fail? Do you want to let insurance policies become worthless? Do you want pensions to fail? Do you want pure, unfettered capitalism with no government intervention in the economy?

Or do you just want to rant about government in general?

[midnight_v]

Wow... so someone else sees it.

Okay now Stormy, .
Now that you've witnessed the set up.
What do we do now?
Thats what I've been asking myself for a month now, after I researched the "Federal Reserve Bank/System" wasn't federal and figured out that they could pull the rug from under the U.S. economy. That bugged me and so I started digging more about executive orders and laws passed since th 1970's that basically allow the government to sieze large swaths of property and resources in the event of a "national emergency" but what specifically that consists of is never defined... I kinda think it gets decided at some later date.
That was why I started that conspiray thread, just to see how people react to things that sould like what you're saying.
"Our government, has become a socialism... and nobody noticed"
It should get worse from here.
The Amero comes next probbably around 2012. Which has its own set of implications.
Not one of those things that I'm waning to say "I told you so" about.

[Stormy]

So, then, I take it that you approve of the "grand compromise"?

Do you want to let the markets fail? Do you want to let insurance policies become worthless? Do you want pensions to fail? Do you want pure, unfettered capitalism with no government intervention in the economy?

Or do you just want to rant about government in general?

YES...!!! I want to let the markets fail of their own weight. And then, I want to abolish the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and bring back gold and silver coin as currency. I want pure unfettered capitalism. I don't want government intervention in the free market.

There is nothing more to lose. Inflation has already eaten away all dividends on pensions, incomes, personal savings, 401K's, mutual funds, etc. You can't save a rotten system by socializing it.

[DAL]

YES...!!! I want to let the markets fail of their own weight. And then, I want to abolish the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and bring back gold and silver coin as currency. I want pure unfettered capitalism. I don't want government intervention in the free market.

There is nothing more to lose. Inflation has already eaten away all dividends on pensions, incomes, personal savings, 401K's, mutual funds, etc. You can't save a rotten system by socializing it.

You did not answer the part about welfare benefits and other subsidies. Should be abolish those, too?

[Stormy]

You did not answer the part about welfare benefits and other subsidies. Should be abolish those, too?

All benefits abolished, except Social Security (this is not welfare) for the disabled, and retired, which was paid into by the income earners, and Veterans Compensation, which was paid in blood, by American Servicemen and women.

[DAL]

All benefits abolished, except Social Security (this is not welfare) for the disabled, and retired, which was paid into by the income earners, and Veterans Compensation, which was paid in blood, by American Servicemen and women.

But they will be paid in worthless dollars, so it doesn't matter, right?

[Stormy]

:
Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
All benefits abolished, except Social Security (this is not welfare) for the disabled, and retired, which was paid into by the income earners, and Veterans Compensation, which was paid in blood, by American Servicemen and women.

But they will be paid in worthless dollars, so it doesn't matter, right?

They'll be paid in fiat dollars until the dollar fails, and/or will continue getting paid until a gold/silver backed currency comes to life. This is inevitable. The fiat dollar is toast.

[DAL]

Because Social Security, a true pyramid scheme par excellence, was "paid" for in dollars, the benefits would have to be in dollars.

I suspect that when we go to the gold standard (why not the platinum standard?), the government will declare that $1 = 1 microgram of gold, or something similarly trivial. Or perhaps we will equate US and Zimbabwean dollars.

[Stormy]

Because Social Security, a true pyramid scheme par excellence, was "paid" for in dollars, the benefits would have to be in dollars.

I suspect that when we go to the gold standard (why not the platinum standard?), the government will declare that $1 = 1 microgram of gold, or something similarly trivial. Or perhaps we will equate US and Zimbabwean dollars.

Now you're talkin'.

It was in 1971 that we came off the gold standard. Up until then, a dollar was a silver or a gold certificate, redeemable in either coin. And, it was then that gold began to climb. So to be fair to the SS and veterans comp recipients, I'd say with adjustments for inflation, we could pay them in fiat dollars until the changeover.

As for platinum, why not? Any currency which has labor to back it's value, is ok by me.

[Stormy]

Wow... so someone else sees it.

Okay now Stormy, .
Now that you've witnessed the set up.
What do we do now?
Thats what I've been asking myself for a month now, after I researched the "Federal Reserve Bank/System" wasn't federal and figured out that they could pull the rug from under the U.S. economy. That bugged me and so I started digging more about executive orders and laws passed since th 1970's that basically allow the government to sieze large swaths of property and resources in the event of a "national emergency" but what specifically that consists of is never defined... I kinda think it gets decided at some later date.
That was why I started that conspiray thread, just to see how people react to things that sould like what you're saying.
"Our government, has become a socialism... and nobody noticed"
It should get worse from here.
The Amero comes next probbably around 2012. Which has its own set of implications.
Not one of those things that I'm waning to say "I told you so" about.

Read http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/0...eland_090708w/ and tell me what you've read.