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  • #46
    Slow and quirky internet- double post deleted.
    Last edited by FNA209; 09-23-2008, 05:08 AM.
    "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Stormy View Post
      When it comes to Executuve Orders, Bush has no problem using this authority to bypass congress. Yet, when it comes to 'fixing the economic problem in the US', which Bush can do via an Executive Order, suddenly, his hands are tied by a democratic congress. I see here a double standard. When someone points the finger at Republican Bush's lack of initiative in stopping the 'economic domino effect', all are hell-bent on bending the finger back, and pointing it back at Democrat Clinton.
      Yes, a President can issue an Executive Order. But without funding (which must be appropriated through Congress), an Executive Order is just a piece of paper.
      "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
      ______________________________________________

      "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
      ______________________________________________

      “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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      • #48
        Socialism
        1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
        2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
        3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

        Both republicans and democrats will end us at a socialim state.

        One through "pandering" to the poor.
        The other thorough imperfect implementation of collectivist principles
        i.e. catering to big buiness.

        People on both sides aren't really reasoning about it.
        Both sides have some hypocrisy to them. Here its just more pronounced because there are more conservatives than liberals.
        ..................................

        One thing I've noticed is that the liberals, don't have an understanding of personal responsibility. Though ultimately they just don't want people to suffer and want things to be equal for all. If it means redistribution of wealth, so be it. If it means programs to help the poor all the better, otherwise we'll always have a nation of peasants ruled by kings.
        The Conservatives are very judgmental and have a huge position on "personal responsibility" even to the point of saying "well those too week need to be eliminated from our society" its not implicity spelled out. It is implied a whole lot. The oddity of that is how forgiving of "thier own" they are. I jusst can't help but imagine if it was Barack Obama's 17 year-old daughter that would have gotten pregnant. The limbaugh thing with drugs... etc...ect...
        Thing is the average lower end republican doesn't get it.
        If you're not a millionare + you're just as bad off as the poor people in the long run, when it comes to things like having succesfull buisness and doing something with it. Wal-mart won't let you, blockbuster won't let you. You can't. That's not how the country was intended. Sure you'll say thats the free market. . . but at the point billion-dollar companies can hire the people who wrote the Tax-codes and the best students to be thier tax lawyers, and hire lobbyist to promote laws that benefit them at the expense of you. . .
        You can't win.

        Its just foolish to try to imply that the millions spent to help the poor is the reason the ecomnomy is poor, when the companies are saving billions in taxes, in the hopes that they will create jobs.. but then create jobs overseas instead.

        Foolish people are more afraid of the Thugs on the street corner and the illegal mexican's lined up at home depot, than the people who are about to recieve 700billion dollars in tax money, or the enron guys who set the economy on fire embezzeling millions. Or the war effort... which really... we didn't have to fight at all in the end.

        The people who actually have billions of dollars know these things, they own huge media companies and stock in everything else. They know how to play on your fears. They are masters of misdirection, and manipulation and you're worried about some poor kid getting a pell grant to go to community college.
        Your kids, will go to a state school, but the rich, the truly rich keep you out of thier schools, Yale, Harvard, Oxford. . . and you don't realize, thats a bigger deal. You very few of you or your children will be able to rise above your social status. Not because they've fed the hungry but because...
        We move all the power out of the hands of the common man.
        The economy is bent over the railing because of corporate greed...
        and governmental corruption.
        All while were afraid of the people at our feet scrambling for crumbs...
        You people don't deserve freedom.
        They will all look up to me and shout, "Save us!", and I will whisper back... "No."

        LAW is not JUSTICE

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        • #49
          Originally posted by midnight_v View Post

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          You people don't deserve freedom. :mad
          You realize that by saying "you people" you have triggered a non-PC, racial response. Dude, you can't say "you people". That phrase has been hijacked by the PC crowd to show you are a anti-minority person.

          Don't say that anymore.
          "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
          ______________________________________________

          "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
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          “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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          • #50
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            Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
            When it comes to Executuve Orders, Bush has no problem using this authority to bypass congress. Yet, when it comes to 'fixing the economic problem in the US', which Bush can do via an Executive Order, suddenly, his hands are tied by a democratic congress. I see here a double standard. When someone points the finger at Republican Bush's lack of initiative in stopping the 'economic domino effect', all are hell-bent on bending the finger back, and pointing it back at Democrat Clinton.
            Originally posted by FNA209 View Post
            Yes, a President can issue an Executive Order. But without funding (which must be appropriated through Congress), an Executive Order is just a piece of paper.


            What you are witnessing now, probability of financial control by the gov, with a czar named Hank Paulsen, is what should've been done by the Executive Order years ago, before this mess came about.
            Last edited by Stormy; 11-02-2008, 01:00 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by FNA209 View Post
              '...And my main problem with the plan is that it's socialism. Not an American value. Socialism is the art of giving money earned by some to those who earn less or those who earn nothing.
              Are you refering to Communism? I understand Socialism and Communism are dogs of the same litter, but there is a difference;

              “Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community. This control may be either exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils or on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state, worker, or community ownership of the means of production, goals which have been attributed to, and claimed by, a number of political parties and governments."

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