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    There are numerous active threads with Obama and McCain supporters trading pointed barbs about who they endorse for POTUS. Let's try something different with this thread, list the things you do not like about YOUR candidate. Surely you do not march lock step with each and every position or viewpoint(?)

    Obama supporters- list the things you dislike/disagree with Obama.

    McCain supporters- list the things you dislike/disagree with McCain.

    There is only ONE rule with this thread. McCain supporters cannot mention Obama and vice versa, otherwise this thread will end up just like all the other back and forth partisan bickerings. Let's all keep this in mind as it will be interesting to find out how sincere folks are about "their" candidate.
    Last edited by BrickCop; 09-09-2008, 11:15 PM.
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    Interesting thread Brick, lets see if it stays on track...

    I do not like that McCain attempts to be so much like Bush and that he has supported him so faithfully. I understand supporting your party, but I think he has blindly done so and that will hurt him.

    NO DISRESPECT with this one but, being from AZ where we had McCain for so long, and now listening to more of his ads, I think he relies too heavily on the POW part of his military career. I think he plays it up, and I don't think that is the right angle to use.
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    • #3
      My guy is McCain. That said:

      I really wish he'd stop referring to everyone as "my friends..."
      I really wish he was a better speaker and lose the teleprompter
      I really wish he'd just drive over to Michael Moores crib and bitch slap him. But NOOOoooooo...he won't DOOOoooooo THAT!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Quopper View Post
        Interesting thread Brick, lets see if it stays on track...

        I do not like that McCain attempts to be so much like Bush and that he has supported him so faithfully. I understand supporting your party, but I think he has blindly done so and that will hurt him.

        NO DISRESPECT with this one but, being from AZ where we had McCain for so long, and now listening to more of his ads, I think he relies too heavily on the POW part of his military career. I think he plays it up, and I don't think that is the right angle to use.
        [ bold highlite mine ]

        Playing the POW card up to the hilt; He learned it all from the other republican, Guiliani, who also plays the 'hero of World Trade Center' card. We need less heroes, and more substance.

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        • #5
          Problems with Obama...

          -Energy Policy, I think we need nuclear power, and lots of it.

          -Gun Control, pointless, violence in America is not caused by guns, and even if it was, gun control obviously doesn't work. It's not like there'd be much difficulty smuggling small arms across the Mexican border. Regardless, forgive me for sounding racist, but once we take inner city blacks (they seem to be the most affected by the drug trade, a sad fact) out of the equation, our murder rate is not that far off from Western Europe.

          -Trade, not too sure where he really stands, but if his protectionist rhetoric is true, then I disagree with him.

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          • #6
            McCain-

            Stop the POW thing, I’m sorry for your experience, but it was a long time ago and the experience doesn’t add to being President of the greatest country in the world.

            Illegal immigration…for the love of God will somebody please oppose millions of illegal immigrants being here. Build a damn wall, keep them out, put some guards on it, and allow them to use deadly force to maintain the walls integrity.

            WTO…NAFTA…need I say more?

            The whole torture thing (water torture to be specific), torture em-hell yeah! Anything that saves one single American life is worth any amount of terrorist torture.
            Last edited by sinned; 09-09-2008, 11:56 PM. Reason: forgot one

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            • #7
              Im really gunna like this thread...

              Obama-

              UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!

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              • #8
                Obama:

                -Needs to dump his silly oil company windfall profits tax idea. Also, he needs to emphasize nuclear energy and the building of new nuclear plants as part of a sound energy policy.

                -Needs to actually try to curb federal spending. (McCain is worse on this issue though)

                -His position on illegal immigration is awful (as is McCain's)

                -Health care reform needs to happen. However, his plan does not go far enough and he needs to embrace a plan similar to Hillary Clinton's if he wants to control health care costs and provide universal coverage.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LAschoolCop View Post
                  Im really gunna like this thread...

                  Obama-

                  UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!
                  socialist !

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                  • #10
                    Random pot-shots at all candidates, from both a pro and con perspective. That means everyone has some good, and some bad qualities, I dislike being pigeon-holed for one candidate. Sorry, Trooper, I do ride both horses.

                    Women are going to like Palin
                    even more as they get to know her. Unlike Hillary,who rode Bill's
                    coattails to power, Sarah Palin worked with her hands from
                    the get-go and rose by her own efforts to the number one
                    position in her home state.

                    As most men and women work with their hands, and resent
                    MainStreamMedia types telling them what to think, Palin will be seen as 'one of us'
                    by working women, and men.

                    She is an effective and very verbal communicator.

                    Plenty of Americans resent the liberal 'clean hands'
                    type of media writers and talking heads who look at Americans
                    who work with their hands as needing tutelage from them
                    [media elites.] It is obvious from watching her in the
                    [Alaska Governer] debates that
                    she is very bright but does not come across as an arrogant
                    MSM eilitist.


                    She comes across like the MOM next door. Albeit a very
                    intelligent MOM, and of course rather good looking too.

                    This is where she is strong and Obama is weak. Not
                    on looks and charisma [both are blessed here], but on the way they communicate.

                    Obama clearly is 'one of them' NorthEast establishment elitist.

                    His problem is that he is not 'one of us.' Nothing
                    to do with race but more to do with who he 'wants to be.'
                    An establishment elitist.

                    Hillary in fact did a good job of connecting with
                    working Americans and beat Obama in the majority
                    of working class voting districts. This is spite of her
                    elitist origins.

                    Obama is already weak in working class districts.

                    Pragmatist, best describes Palin. If you listen
                    closely to her she always comes back to this 'it does
                    not matter who has the best idea or best way to get things
                    done' use the best idea but get things done. Give the credit
                    for having the good idea to the right or left but get the job
                    done'.


                    Ron Paul had the best platform but Palin is the
                    best candidate of the four running for pres and v pres. Democrats
                    and Repubs.

                    Barr or Nader may have the best platform for 2008.

                    To attempt to paint Palin as a Libertarian is laughable. She is a big government socialist. A religious zealot. A welfare leech. And a neocon parrot.

                    Alaska has a very high % of indian voters. Many
                    if not the majority of Alaskans work off the land and work with
                    their hands, fishing, oil, mining, tourism, hunting guides,
                    bush pilots etc....

                    In other words they are not pencil pushers or paper shufflers.

                    Alaskans have given Palin an 80% approval rating.
                    This says much about Palin, Alaska, and America.

                    What I like about Barack Obama is that he doesn't see every issue as black and white. The duality of right/wrong, us/them, left/right etc is stupid and is a Bush classic.

                    McCain used the word "fight" over 30 times in his convention acceptance speech. As polarized as U.S. politics are, a former community organizer might be better equipped to resolve issues and get things done than a guy who arrives in town looking to fight with everyone. McCain understands the problems with war far more than Obama does. He is less likely to put the military in harm's way than some newbie out to build a reputation. Like I said before, it took a hard line anti-Communist like Nixon to end the Vietnam war and improve relations with China. A lefty could not have done that. (It works the other way by the way. Clinton was able to make changes to welfare that a Republican could not have.)

                    What I don't like about Barack Obama is that he is arrogant, inexperienced and power hungry. Obama had no problem sliming his way through the corruption of Chicago politics and showed that he would not let principle and ethics get in the way. (Palin did not play that game; she took on her party apparatus and got corrupt members thrown out of office and charged with crimes.) While Obama seems to have very little in the way of experience or a record of accomplishment he goes on a foreign tour pretending that he is Kennedy and tries to play up to foreigners that are not exactly trusted by the average American voter.

                    From what I see, Obama is in trouble and has moved rapidly to come a lot closer to McCain's policies on guns, Iran, the surge, capital punishment, energy, etc. His pastor, criminal friends and his wife have faded from view because they turn voters off and cast suspicion his way. While he still should win the Democrats are inept enough to blow it. If they do the party will have to do a thorough cleansing and get rid of the elitists who have been calling the shots.

                    Just my opinion, folks. Take it or leave it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                      [ bold highlite mine ]

                      Playing the POW card up to the hilt; He learned it all from the other republican, Guiliani, who also plays the 'hero of World Trade Center' card. We need less heroes, and more substance.
                      My wife got into a near fight at a party this past weekend because another woman (35yrs old) made fun of McCain being an old man and couldn't even lift his arms up... After wifey gt through twith her it turned out that this chick had no idea that McCain suffered 5 years of torture in a POW camp. Telling that story to her fellow carpoolers the next Monday, about this chick at a party who was so obscene that she was making fun of a veterans disabilities incurred during service, the other 3 ladies in the car looked at her funny. NONE of them knew about his service either !!! One even said, "I heard he just won't salute the flag in protest".

                      While I'm a lil tired of the POW angle myself, we encountered 4 people in two days that hadn't a clue.

                      BACK TO THE THREAD:

                      My guy is McCain and my biggest gripe about him is that I feel is way too soft on illegal immigration. Line the border with tanks, troops, walls, pitbulls, or whatever is necessary to control it. Properly fund the border patrol and stop persecuting it's officers. Welcome all immigrants, just make them sign their name at the door.
                      Last edited by bankfraudguy; 09-10-2008, 10:40 AM. Reason: ....

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                      • #12
                        :
                        Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
                        [ bold highlite mine ]

                        and more substance.
                        Originally posted by bankfraudguy View Post
                        My wife got into a near fight at a party this past weekend because another woman (35yrs old) made fun of McCain being an old man and couldn't even lift his arms up... After wifey gt through twith her it turned out that this chick had no idea that McCain suffered 5 years of torture in a POW camp. Telling that story to her fellow carpoolers the next Monday, about this chick at a party who was so obscene that she was making fun of a veterans disabilities incurred during service, the other 3 ladies in the car looked at her funny. NONE of them knew about his service either !!! One even said, "I heard he just won't salute the flag in protest".

                        While I'm a lil tired of the POW angle myself, we encountered 4 people in two days that hadn't a clue.

                        BACK TO THE THREAD:

                        My guy is McCain and my biggest gripe about him is that I feel is way too soft on illegal immigration. Line the border with tanks, troops, walls, pitbulls, or whatever is necessary to control it. Properly fund the border patrol and stop persecuting it's officers. Welcome all immigrants, just make them sign their name at the door.
                        Yes, I am fully aware of his 8 years as a POW. I'm also fully aware of statements made about McCain by fellow POW's.

                        I'd like to state that it is a shame to have two Border Patrol agents rotting in prison, for doing their job, while our leader turns his back on them.
                        Last edited by Stormy; 11-02-2008, 01:28 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BigPat View Post
                          Obama:

                          -Needs to dump his silly oil company windfall profits tax idea. Also, he needs to emphasize nuclear energy and the building of new nuclear plants as part of a sound energy policy.

                          -Needs to actually try to curb federal spending. (McCain is worse on this issue though)

                          -His position on illegal immigration is awful (as is McCain's)

                          -Health care reform needs to happen. However, his plan does not go far enough and he needs to embrace a plan similar to Hillary Clinton's if he wants to control health care costs and provide universal coverage.
                          Guess you missed the part about NOT taking shots at the other side in this thread.

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                          • #14
                            Obama-

                            -His Economic plan, at the moment, is a little sketchy. He hasnt really laid any substantive facts other than vaguely saying what he will do.

                            - Some parts of his gun laws...Not necessarily bad, needs a little tweaking.
                            "Against the machinations of your enemies you can take defense, but against the stupidity of fools, the very gods themselves fight in vain" ~ Johann C.F. Von Schiller


                            "Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."
                            --Thomas Jefferson

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                            • #15
                              Must be nice to have a candidate in this election. I know who I'm voting for, but it doesn't mean it's 'my' candidate.

                              I could write an effin' book on all the things I don't like about McCain. Unfortunately, I could write a volume of endless novels about what I don't like about the other guy. So, as I've said time and time again, a win for either of these candidates is a loss for America, I feel. Luckily I kinda like one of the VPs.
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