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  • Politicians Are Not People

    I could've told you that.

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    Politicians Are Not People
    Jim Kirwan
    9-1-8


    On of the most confounding mysteries in all of political thought stems from the fact that most 'politicians' are not people. As a general rule they have no real friends and the only values that most of them attempt to display are nothing more than 'markers' on an ever-spinning wheel that answers to whichever way the winds of popularity might blow. That is not the same thing as having anything that could pass for any basis in the whirlwind of our lives.

    Politicians are nothing more than jumbled puzzle pieces that from time-to-time are stuck together by greed and by those twisted forms of power that are constantly shifting like heaps of autumn leaves, at the mercy of every passing breeze. It is no wonder then that their actions mystify most people, because politicians answer to something that the rest of us consider artificial.

    People must live by their values, which are not separate from the most intimate parts of life and death. Politicians believe that they can 'create' facts by passing laws that contravene the laws of nature and of life, and therein lies the basic disconnect between 'people' and their so-called leaders. This nation died when our politicians figured out how to vote themselves money: From that point forward these so-called 'servants of the people' began to treat us as their slaves. We no longer run the houses that we live in anymore than we have any say in what the policies of this nation ought to be. If we were still capable of critical thought then this nation would have long ago left all these childish games-of-politics behind.

    Here are two views of 'The Thinker, 'Rodin's classic sculpture from his 'Gates of Hell.' They are displayed as the Seeker that looks inside himself to discover what his waking mind can sometimes miss, versus the Thinker who is concerned only with that which lies outside himself. Puzzle pieces play a part in this, yet each separate approach contributes to more capable governance, than either concept could ever fashion by itself.

    Yet today's political figures have cast their lot well outside this basic thought-form, choosing to implement the ideas others for greed and profit that has little or nothing to do with how such ideas might play out in the lives of those that these constructs must surely come to change! It is no wonder then that these Purveyor's of Other People's Plans and twisted dreams, are incapable of comprehending the contradictions that each politician finally chooses to blindly serve. What is amazing is that we continue to allow them to do as they please with our very lives!

    In the real world: Out of the three-hundred plus million-people in this country, it is truly stunning to realize that the best that the two party system can come up with are these four sad tokens of political leadership, to which we are somehow suppose to become ecstatic!

    Just today Cheney-Bush escaped the need to go before the nation at what was to have been the Republican National Convention. McCain canceled the scheduled convention, rather than just moving it forward: thereby denying the public the chance to hear the positions and to see their party's "heavy-weights" in a real- world confrontation as they would attempt to openly compete with what the country just saw with the Democrats. McTraitor is notably extremely weak in these kinds of venues-and now both he and his questionable choice for VP let themselves off that dangerous hook, while at the same time shielding the public-blood-stain on their party which the appearance of Cheney Bush would no doubt have produced.

    Once more the public is denied the chance to confront this "party of incompetence" on their miserable failures throughout their entire tenure at the helm of the Cheney-Bush Titanic that is going down for the count with every passing moment. For instance all that painstaking preparation that was made computerizing the Gustav refugees and their designated destinations along with all their pets, just crashed, and now all that information and documentation has been lost: and the storm is still hours away!

    On this third anniversary of Katrina, we just happen to have an even bigger hurricane coming on-shore just in time to show off the revised federal response (which actually does not excuse what happened during Katrina), but instead of postponing the Republican convention and then talking later about all that was done for those threatened by Gustav-the retard's opted for this cheap ticket out of the political quicksand which they have spent eight long years creating. (1)

    Throughout this marathon selection process that will have used up two whole years, instead of the 90 days that would have been optimal: What the country has repeatedly been subjected to along with the completely ineffectual attempts to "lead" has been nothing but more faux words laid upon massive failures all around: with no end in sight.

    The disconnect that these politicians keep on smashing into, is the very real concern of ordinary people as to how they shall survive in this world that is beginning to crash around us all: while these proposed candidates continue to show no real interest in any of the things that could indeed change the situation on the ground in this country.

    If they were serious they would have to tell the public that there is NO money with which to change anything. It should also be obvious to anyone seriously trying to comprehend just "who" is running and for what; that the money, the speechwriters, and the sponsors of all these people are on the same page, because those "sponsors" are the same people that created every one of the so- called problems that either candidate has stated, "Must be fixed."!

    Also neither 'man' has any executive experience of any note whatever. Obama has spent his mini-life talking about 'stuff' and doing nothing. McCain has spent his as a permanently petulant teenager with no sense of personal responsibility or even the smallest grasp toward leading anyone anywhere. Of the four the only one with enough brain power and charisma to DO anything is Joe Biden, and he's completely in the pocket of the same forces that created this mess in the first place. This is not a beauty contest; it's about finding and confirming someone capable of leading a seriously troubled nation out of the worst nightmare that any nation has ever created for itself!

    McCain is a personal coward and a military failure with his 22 days of combat experience, which he capped by crashing his fifth jet fighter and ending up in a brothel in Hanoi for the next several years. John's choice for Vice-president creates some very interesting potential problems, and clearly shows not his leadership skills but only his continued interest in maintaining his trophy choices, when he should be thinking about "the country" that he claims he always puts first! (2)

    Obama never learned anything about real-world violence in any form, and instead has placed his 'faith' in his circular speaking style that will have no affect whatever on anyone that has ever lived an authentic life. Cynically, even Barrack could not really take all that poppy-cock he put in his acceptance speech seriously: not after so many decades during which each and every politician has made virtually the same promises and then of course, did either the exact opposite, or nothing-at-all!

    So we have empty suits running for office yet again, based on more of the same old lies to be administered by the same people (from the obscene past) that will be disinterred to administer this new government that stands for real change! Right-only this time the world is not wearing blinders anymore: this time we shall have to prove every single thing we undertake before we can be believed about anything ever again; such is the nature of the extent of the deceptions that this government has publicly sunk to, in the opinion of the rest of the people in the world!

    This is why so many have finally come to realize that Politicians are not real people, and as their list of outright failures underlines, they are not very good at delivering on anything they've undertaken. So why do we continue to allow them to play with us this way? We pay and pay and pay again a hundred times over for all the things that we have yet to receive; and still we act as if these creatures are to be respected instead of just arresting them and then demanding 'all our money back'!

    No matter who "wins" in November or even if that selection is interrupted by Martial Law: It is we who will lose bigtime, whether there is an election or not; because we long ago surrendered all our basic rights, to the fear and paranoia that we allowed them to use, to steal this country from us-without even the slightest whimper of protest!

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    1) RNC Preview video
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4401988n

    2) Stewart & Colbert Mock VP Choice
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...lin-vp-choice/

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    Stormy,,,,,

    I wouldnt be using posts from an admited (and proud) Socialists website.....he comes off as needing to up the dosage on his meds 99% of the time........
    Last edited by LA DEP; 09-02-2008, 01:03 AM.
    The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

    "Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason"

    "We fight not for glory; nor for wealth; nor honor, but only and alone we fight for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
      Stormy,,,,,

      I wouldnt be using posts from an admited (and proud) Socialists website.....he comes off as needed to up the dosage on his meds 99% of the time........
      I'd disagree with his politics, but on this I agree with him.
      Last edited by Stormy; 11-02-2008, 01:15 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Stormy View Post
        He may be a Socialist, and I'd disagree with his politics, but on this I agree with him; politicans will sell their mother to a brothel for a vote.
        very true......but the message will often be lost because of the messenger.....one look at his posts, and most will write him off as a complete wackjob......
        The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

        "Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason"

        "We fight not for glory; nor for wealth; nor honor, but only and alone we fight for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life"

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        • #5
          Ahhhhh a article with truth instead of Pro-Repub or Democrat garbage about how their man will be the hero for this country when it is very obvious that McCain definitely won't be. No vision, no charisma, no real stance, just no good. Obama....it sounds like some "dream" history setting ticket with lots of hype but my trust just is not with him. Oh boy November should be interesting.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
            Stormy,,,,,

            I wouldnt be using posts from an admited (and proud) Socialists website.....he comes off as needing to up the dosage on his meds 99% of the time........
            Interesting how neo-cons take offense at Socialists. Yet, their 'Pledge of Allegiance', which they swear to, was written by...guess who?......a Socialist.

            [ bold red highlite mine ]

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            The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag reads as follows:

            "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

            It should be recited by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.[1]

            The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.

            Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

            The pledge was supposed to be quick and to the point. Bellamy designed it to be stated in 15 seconds. He had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided they were too controversial since many people opposed equal rights for women and blacks...

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_allegiance

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            • #7
              I could care less what someone was over 200 years ago......I care about NOW, and despise Socialism to the core of my soul..........it is the MAIN enemy of personal choice and freedom......Mankind is not set up for a hive mind mentality that the socialists try and push, no matter the rose tinted glasses they look through......
              The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

              "Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason"

              "We fight not for glory; nor for wealth; nor honor, but only and alone we fight for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                I could care less what someone was over 200 years ago......I care about NOW, and despise Socialism to the core of my soul..........it is the MAIN enemy of personal choice and freedom......Mankind is not set up for a hive mind mentality that the socialists try and push, no matter the rose tinted glasses they look through......
                But our Founding Father's wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights back then. Now, I'm sure you care. You sure you're not mixing Socialism with Communism?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                  I could care less what someone was over 200 years ago......I care about NOW, and despise Socialism to the core of my soul..........it is the MAIN enemy of personal choice and freedom......Mankind is not set up for a hive mind mentality that the socialists try and push, no matter the rose tinted glasses they look through......
                  I'm not sure there's ever been a socialist country -- there are plenty of countries that have called themselves socialist.

                  But that's like saying the Chinese are communist because they call themselves communist. That's just a cover for an oligarchy...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                    But our Founding Father's wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights back then. Now, I'm sure you care. You sure you're not mixing Socialism with Communism?
                    Socialism and Communism are two very different beasts......Each is evil for different reasons..........and if they were alive today, I would oppose them as much as I do present day Socialists......Socialists seem to think that the government is there to do everything for them.....while I feel that the indivdual needs to be responsible for themselves....AND NO ONE ELSE......

                    As another poster stated, I want government to be small enough to be drowned in a bathtub....a very SMALL bathtub.........government that is only large enough to stave off chaos.......
                    The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

                    "Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason"

                    "We fight not for glory; nor for wealth; nor honor, but only and alone we fight for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                      Socialism and Communism are two very different beasts......Each is evil for different reasons..........and if they were alive today, I would oppose them as much as I do present day Socialists......Socialists seem to think that the government is there to do everything for them.....while I feel that the indivdual needs to be responsible for themselves....AND NO ONE ELSE......

                      As another poster stated, I want government to be small enough to be drowned in a bathtub....a very SMALL bathtub.........government that is only large enough to stave off chaos.......
                      That's right. If we privatize a buncha stuff, we don't need all this corruption, we'd most likely have a lot more money in the treasury too.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                        Socialism and Communism are two very different beasts......Each is evil for different reasons..........and if they were alive today, I would oppose them as much as I do present day Socialists......Socialists seem to think that the government is there to do everything for them.....while I feel that the indivdual needs to be responsible for themselves....AND NO ONE ELSE......

                        As another poster stated, I want government to be small enough to be drowned in a bathtub....a very SMALL bathtub.........government that is only large enough to stave off chaos.......
                        Interesting what each brings to the table. How many really have taken the time to analyze each economic system for it's merits or it's shortcomings?

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                        Socialism is a socio-economic system in which essential industries, social services, property and the distribution of wealth are publicly and cooperatively owned and democratically controlled with a view to equal opportunity and equal benefit for all. Since the ownership and distribution of wealth is controlled by the whole community as a collective, and not individually or by groups of individuals that do not comprise a whole community, socialism has been identified with communism.

                        so·cial·ism Audio Help /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
                        –noun
                        1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
                        2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
                        3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
                        Compare utopian socialism.

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                        Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general. It is usually considered to be a branch of socialism, a broad group of social and political ideologies, which draws on the various political and intellectual movements with origins in the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution, although socialist historians say they are older. [citation needed] ...

                        com·mu·nism Audio Help /ˈkɒmyəˌnɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kom-yuh-niz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
                        –noun
                        1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
                        2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
                        3. (initial capital letter) the principles and practices of the Communist party.
                        4. communalism.

                        Marxism in practice is the best refutation of
                        Marxism in theory.

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                        Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are owned by private persons, and operated for profit and where investments, distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are predominantly determined through the operation of a free market. Capitalism is usually considered to involve the right of individuals and corporations to trade, using money, in goods, services (including finance), labor and land. Ideally, capitalist systems are governed by the free price system set by the law of supply ...

                        cap·i·tal·ism Audio Help /ˈkæpɪtlˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kap-i-tl-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
                        –noun
                        an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
                        [Origin: 1850–55; capital1 + -ism]

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                        Name the economic system? are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance.

                        It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realise that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nations spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
                          That's right. If we privatize a buncha stuff, we don't need all this corruption, we'd most likely have a lot more money in the treasury too.
                          Yeah, look how well privatization worked in Iraq...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nr5667 View Post
                            Yeah, look how well privatization worked in Iraq...
                            1. Do you know anything about whats happening, if enough, to actually challenge that factor?

                            2. Which privatization VS government are we talking about?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
                              1. Do you know anything about whats happening, if enough, to actually challenge that factor?

                              2. Which privatization VS government are we talking about?
                              What factor?

                              We are talking about the no-bid contracts that have resulted in Pentagon audits revealing sub-par performance on the part of the contractors, and the billions lost in part to the u.s government over paying for services that were either inferior, or never even supplied.

                              It's no secret, look it up...

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