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  • Things McCain and Palin Won't Have to Do

    Some of the little things they will never have to explain, talk about or justify......
    • Convincing Americans they are patriotic
    • Confessing to plagerizing a term paper in law school
    • Admitting to using cocaine
    • Explaining support and ongoing relationships with racist America haters
    • Explaining friendships with slumlord felons
    • Explaining racist comments about Duncan Donut and 7-11 owners
    • Justify support of partial birth butchering of babies
    • Explain why they were wrong on terror
    • Explain why they belittled the other when candidates
    • Explain why their spouse thinks America is a "downright mean country"
    • Explain why their spouse is just now proud of their country at 44 years of age
    • Justify why they won't appear on any hard questioning TV networks
    • Discuss what they really meant by "typical white people."
    • Expalin why they wouldn't wear a flag pin or simply place a hand over their heart and sing our national anthem
    • Suggest their spouse "soften" her image
    • Claim to understand working folks when neither is or has ever been one - ever
    • Having less executive experience combined, then the VP nominee of the Republican party
    • Telling us just one meaningful accomplishment while in office
    • Why the choice of 18 million voters - a woman - was dismissed
    • Why guns are a good thing - even AK47s
    • Why they want to raise our taxes
    • Why they want to ruin our healthcare system
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  • #2
    Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
    Some of the little things they will never have to explain, talk about or justify......
    • Convincing Americans they are patriotic
    • Confessing to plagerizing a term paper in law school
    • Admitting to using cocaine
    • Explaining support and ongoing relationships with racist America haters
    • Explaining friendships with slumlord felons
    • Explaining racist comments about Duncan Donut and 7-11 owners
    • Justify support of partial birth butchering of babies
    • Explain why they were wrong on terror
    • Explain why they belittled the other when candidates
    • Explain why their spouse thinks America is a "downright mean country"
    • Explain why their spouse is just now proud of their country at 44 years of age
    • Justify why they won't appear on any hard questioning TV networks
    • Discuss what they really meant by "typical white people."
    • Expalin why they wouldn't wear a flag pin or simply place a hand over their heart and sing our national anthem
    • Suggest their spouse "soften" her image
    • Claim to understand working folks when neither is or has ever been one - ever
    • Having less executive experience combined, then the VP nominee of the Republican party
    • Telling us just one meaningful accomplishment while in office
    • Why the choice of 18 million voters - a woman - was dismissed
    • Why guns are a good thing - even AK47s
    • Why they want to raise our taxes
    • Why they want to ruin our healthcare system

    If you were Black and growing up 30-40 years ago, I would say that America was a downright mean country also. The reason 18 million voters were dismissed is because, is because the other person won the election.

    I would like to know of John McCain really didn't use drugs. After all, his wife is an admitted drug user, who walked away from criminal charges. George Bush had a severe alcohol problem, I would like to remind you before you talk about a democrats former substance abuse. Finally, your taxes will only be raised if you make more than 250k, so stop pretending (?) to be stupid! If you make under 75k (I'm guessing a lot of people on this forum do), you will even get a tax break.

    Q: Can you make an absolute, read-my-lips pledge that there will be no tax increases of any kind for anyone earning under $200,000 a year?

    CLINTON: I will let the taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year go back to the rates that they were paying in the 1990s.

    Q: Senator Obama, would you take the same pledge? No tax increases on people under $250,000?

    OBAMA: I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I've been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes. We are going to offset the payroll tax, the most regressive of our taxes, so that families who are middle-income individuals making $75,000 a year or less, that they would get a tax break so that families would see up to $1,000 worth of relief.
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    • #3
      If you want to survive, vote Obama. Most Americans complain about U.S. foreign policy. McCain is even a more aggressive hawk than Bush. He jokes about "bomb bomb bomb Iran". His first reaction to the Russia Georgia conflict is to immediately engage them in aggressive, confrontational rhetoric. McCain has a loose cannon for a mouth and would just escalate all international tensions with his unbending approach to foreign policy. John McCain is dangerous. For the survival of the world, vote for Obama.

      What we will get if mccain gets in is a war that will shut off our oil supply before we've had a chance to move over to a sustainable base.
      This war he will instigate could easily escalate into cities being nuked as things heat up.

      Though both Mccain and Obama are both socialists from the point of view of libertarians, Obama's choice of how he invests the tax dollars is somewhat less harmful (to my eyes) than McCains choice of how he will p*iss the tax dollars away in senseless wars to profit his oil buddies and keep us on the hook at the gas pump for another couple of years.

      As bad as Obama is, he's the lesser of two evils.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Stormy View Post
        If you want to survive, vote Obama. Most Americans complain about U.S. foreign policy. McCain is even a more aggressive hawk than Bush. He jokes about "bomb bomb bomb Iran". His first reaction to the Russia Georgia conflict is to immediately engage them in aggressive, confrontational rhetoric. McCain has a loose cannon for a mouth and would just escalate all international tensions with his unbending approach to foreign policy. John McCain is dangerous. For the survival of the world, vote for Obama.
        When did Neville Chamberlain start posting on these boards?

        Stormy, just how many democracies do you expect to exist within Russia's span of influence if they aren't confronted? You complain about the cost of oil, but exerts it power and controls a significant amount of oil who's going to determine it's price? (Hint: It won't be American oil companies!)

        We have power, but we also have a responsibility to our allies. The rhetoric about Russia's invasion is proportionate to the issue. What if Poland is invaded? Do we do nothing? Wait for France to be invaded or England? NATO still exists for a reason and striving democracies want to join for a reason: the bear is still hungry and will consume what it wants unless faced with resolution.

        BTW: Our "friends" (the Russians) who claimed the technology possessed by Iran wasn't a threat to us because they didn't have the ability to launch low orbit satellites were wrong! The world is a scary place, made even more frightening if your are unarmed and unprepared to meet the threats.
        "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pulicords View Post
          When did Neville Chamberlain start posting on these boards?

          Stormy, just how many democracies do you expect to exist within Russia's span of influence if they aren't confronted? You complain about the cost of oil, but exerts it power and controls a significant amount of oil who's going to determine it's price? (Hint: It won't be American oil companies!)

          We have power, but we also have a responsibility to our allies. The rhetoric about Russia's invasion is proportionate to the issue. What if Poland is invaded? Do we do nothing? Wait for France to be invaded or England? NATO still exists for a reason and striving democracies want to join for a reason: the bear is still hungry and will consume what it wants unless faced with resolution.

          BTW: Our "friends" (the Russians) who claimed the technology possessed by Iran wasn't a threat to us because they didn't have the ability to launch low orbit satellites were wrong! The world is a scary place, made even more frightening if your are unarmed and unprepared to meet the threats.
          Glad to see the "Appeaser" finger pointers have already started on this thread...AND THEIR IT GOES FOLKS!!
          "Against the machinations of your enemies you can take defense, but against the stupidity of fools, the very gods themselves fight in vain" ~ Johann C.F. Von Schiller


          "Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."
          --Thomas Jefferson

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          • #6
            Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
            If you want to survive, vote Obama. Most Americans complain about U.S. foreign policy. McCain is even a more aggressive hawk than Bush. He jokes about "bomb bomb bomb Iran". His first reaction to the Russia Georgia conflict is to immediately engage them in aggressive, confrontational rhetoric. McCain has a loose cannon for a mouth and would just escalate all international tensions with his unbending approach to foreign policy. John McCain is dangerous. For the survival of the world, vote for Obama.
            Originally posted by pulicords View Post
            When did Neville Chamberlain start posting on these boards?

            Stormy, just how many democracies do you expect to exist within Russia's span of influence if they aren't confronted? You complain about the cost of oil, but exerts it power and controls a significant amount of oil who's going to determine it's price? (Hint: It won't be American oil companies!)
            Please take note; all Communistic governments call themselves 'democratic'...am I missing something? After winning the war in Europe in 1945, the U.S. should've pointed their guns at the Soviet Union (a democratic union of soviet socialist republics). [there we go again, a democracy] It was the chance of a lifetime to rid the world of Communism. Did any sane person think Communism was a democratic government? The U.S. lost this strategic move because Roosevelt was a sick old man, too feeble to deal with a more powerful 'Papa Joe' Stalin. And now we're faced with tackling Russia. We're in a hachet fight with no hachet; a weakened military, a dollar in the toilet, an economy hanging in only until the elections of November, and two wars which have no end in sight.

            No, the oil giants don't want cheap oil. Understand that fact, first. And I refuse to fight for the oil companies anymore, or defend their position. I've spent my days in hell in Vietnam defending Esso and their oil refineries. Enough. But maybe you do? Then by all means, carry-on.
            We have power, but we also have a responsibility to our allies. The rhetoric about Russia's invasion is proportionate to the issue. What if Poland is invaded? Do we do nothing? Wait for France to be invaded or England? NATO still exists for a reason and striving democracies want to join for a reason: the bear is still hungry and will consume what it wants unless faced with resolution.
            Yes, we do nothing. Let's get our own house in order before we tell others how to keep house. What happened to Georgia, our allie? Where was our support for them?
            BTW: Our "friends" (the Russians) who claimed the technology possessed by Iran wasn't a threat to us because they didn't have the ability to launch low orbit satellites were wrong! The world is a scary place, made even more frightening if your are unarmed and unprepared to meet the threats.
            [ bold highlite mine ]

            Iran says the same thing. It must be something in the food, or in the air.

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            • #7
              This is serious stuff. But of course, it's a UK news article, and we know not many here care for the Brits angle on the news. If it ain't 'murican news, it ain't news.

              ----------------------------------------------------------------------

              Fears are mounting that Russia may restrict oil deliveries to Western Europe over coming days, in response to the threat of EU sanctions and Nato naval actions in the Black Sea.

              Any such move would be a dramatic escalation of the Georgia crisis and play havoc with the oil markets.

              Reports have begun to circulate in Moscow that Russian oil companies are under orders from the Kremlin to prepare for a supply cut to Germany and Poland through the Druzhba (Friendship) pipeline. It is believed that executives from lead-producer LUKoil have been put on weekend alert.

              "They have been told to be ready to cut off supplies as soon as Monday," claimed a high-level business source, speaking to The Daily Telegraph. Any move would be timed to coincide with an emergency EU summit in Brussels, where possible sanctions against Russia are on the agenda.

              Any evidence that the Kremlin is planning to use the oil weapon to intimidate the West could inflame global energy markets. US crude prices jumped to $119 a barrel yesterday on reports of hurricane warnings in the Gulf of Mexico, before falling back slightly.

              Global supplies remain tight despite the economic downturn engulfing North America, Europe and Japan. A supply cut at this delicate juncture could drive crude prices much higher, possibly to record levels of $150 or even $200 a barrel.

              With US and European credit spreads already trading at levels of extreme stress, a fresh oil spike would rock financial markets. The Kremlin is undoubtedly aware that it exercises extraordinary leverage, if it strikes right now.

              Such action would be seen as economic warfare but Russia has been infuriated by Nato meddling in its "backyard" and threats of punitive measures by the EU. Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov yesterday accused EU diplomats of a "sick imagination".

              Armed with $580bn of foreign reserves (the world's third largest), Russia appears willing to risk its reputation as a reliable actor on the international stage in order to pursue geo-strategic ambitions.

              "We are not afraid of anything, including the prospect of a Cold War," said President Dmitry Medvedev.

              The Polish government said yesterday that Russian deliveries were still arriving smoothly. It was not aware of any move to limit supplies. The European Commission's energy directorate said it had received no warnings of retaliatory cuts.

              Russia has repeatedly restricted oil and gas deliveries over recent years as a means of diplomatic pressure, though Moscow usually explains away the reduction by referring to technical upsets or pipeline maintenance.

              Last month, deliveries to the Czech Republic through the Druzhba pipeline were cut after Prague signed an agreement with the US to install an anti-missile shield. Czech officials say supplies fell 40pc for July. The pipeline managers Transneft said the shortfall was due to "technical and commercial reasons".

              Supplies were cut to Estonia in May 2007 following a dispute with Russia over the removal of Red Army memorials. It was blamed on a "repair operation". Latvia was cut off in 2005 and 2006 in a battle for control over the Ventspils terminals. "There are ways to camouflage it," said Vincent Sabathier, a senior fellow at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

              "They never say, 'we're going to cut off your oil because we don't like your foreign policy'."

              A senior LUKoil official in Moscow said he was unaware of any plans to curtail deliveries. The Kremlin declined to comment.

              London-listed LUKoil is run by Russian billionaire Vagit Alekperov, who holds 20pc of the shares. LUKoil produces 2m barrels per day (b/d), or 2.5pc of world supply. It exports one fifth of its output to Germany and Poland.

              Although Russia would lose much-needed revenue if it cut deliveries, the Kremlin might hope to recoup some of the money from higher prices. Indeed, it could enhance income for a while if the weapon was calibrated skilfully. Russia exports roughly 6.5m b/d, supplying the EU with 26pc of its total oil needs and 29pc of its gas.

              A cut of just 1m b/d in global supply – and a veiled threat of more to come – would cause a major price spike.

              It is unclear whether Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or other Opec producers have enough spare capacity to plug the shortfall. "Russia is behaving in a very erratic way," said James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA. "There is a risk that they might do something like cutting oil to hurt the world's democracies, if they get angry enough."

              Mr Woolsey said the rapid move towards electric cars and other sources of power in the US and Europe means Russia's ability to use the oil weapon will soon be a diminishing asset. "Within a decade it will be very hard for Russia to push us around," he told The Daily Telegraph.

              It is widely assumed that Russia would cut gas supplies rather than oil as a means of pressuring Europe. It is very hard to find alternative sources of gas. But gas cuts would not hurt the United States. Oil is a better weapon for striking at the broader Western world.

              The price is global. The US economy could suffer serious damage from the immediate knock-on effects.

              While the Russian state is rich, the corporate sector is heavily reliant on foreign investors. The internal bond market is tiny, with just $60bn worth of ruble issues.

              Russian companies raise their funds on the world capital markets. Foreigners own half of the $1 trillion debt. Michael Ganske, Russia expert at Commerzbank, said the country was now facing a liquidity crunch. "Local investors are scared. They can see the foreigners leaving, so now they won't touch anything either. The impact on the capital markets is severe," he said.

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...nrussia129.xml

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              • #8
                And everything you just wrote about Russia enforces my need to have a commander in chief with lots of experience (and military experience at that)
                "Friendly Fire, isn't"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pulicords View Post
                  When did Neville Chamberlain start posting on these boards?

                  Stormy, just how many democracies do you expect to exist within Russia's span of influence if they aren't confronted? You complain about the cost of oil, but exerts it power and controls a significant amount of oil who's going to determine it's price? (Hint: It won't be American oil companies!)

                  We have power, but we also have a responsibility to our allies. The rhetoric about Russia's invasion is proportionate to the issue. What if Poland is invaded? Do we do nothing? Wait for France to be invaded or England? NATO still exists for a reason and striving democracies want to join for a reason: the bear is still hungry and will consume what it wants unless faced with resolution.

                  BTW: Our "friends" (the Russians) who claimed the technology possessed by Iran wasn't a threat to us because they didn't have the ability to launch low orbit satellites were wrong! The world is a scary place, made even more frightening if your are unarmed and unprepared to meet the threats.
                  We have no business interfering in this matter. Have you researched the history? There are two provinces that are ethnically different from the Georgians who have sought independence. Their independence movement was brutally suppressed by the Georgian Army. All sides behaved badly in the situation. The two provinces asked teh Russians for help, and the Russians had military peacekeepers in teh two provinces when Georgia attack.

                  Many of teh residents of South Ossettia are Russian citizens with Russian passports. They want to be independent or part of Russia. This is not our fight, and we especially should not be trying to interfere with a situation that is right on teh Russian Border. How would we react
                  if the Russians were interfering in a conflict in Mexico?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by exdrip View Post
                    And everything you just wrote about Russia enforces my need to have a commander in chief with lots of experience (and military experience at that)
                    Do we want a commander in chief who has a top advisor that was a paid lobbyist for the government of Georgia?

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                    • #11
                      Some things Obama won't have to explain:
                      • Why one of his top advisors is a paid lobbyist for the nation of Georgia
                      • Why he went from being an opponent of the religious right to an opponent of abortion rights and church-state separation
                      • His involvement with Charles Keating in the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s
                      • Why his wife committed numerous narcotics violations and was a drug addict
                      • Why his running mate is in favor of teaching creationism in public schools
                      • Why his running mate, in her short term as governor, has already created controversy by firing the public safety commissioner because he refused to fire the man who divorced her sister
                      • Why his running mate states that she has no clue as to what the Vice President's position entails
                      • How he went from being a "maverick" who opposed many of the extreme positions of the GOP and George Bush to just another Republican lackey

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BigPat View Post
                        Some things Obama won't have to explain:
                        • Why one of his top advisors is a paid lobbyist for the nation of Georgia
                        • Why he went from being an opponent of the religious right to an opponent of abortion rights and church-state separation
                        • His involvement with Charles Keating in the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s
                        • Why his wife committed numerous narcotics violations and was a drug addict
                        • Why his running mate is in favor of teaching creationism in public schools
                        • Why his running mate, in her short term as governor, has already created controversy by firing the public safety commissioner because he refused to fire the man who divorced her sister
                        • Why his running mate states that she has no clue as to what the Vice President's position entails
                        • How he went from being a "maverick" who opposed many of the extreme positions of the GOP and George Bush to just another Republican lackey
                        Since you brought up the fact that he called himself a "maverick"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by exdrip View Post
                          And everything you just wrote about Russia enforces my need to have a commander in chief with lots of experience (and military experience at that)
                          If we go with your definition, then I'd choose a leader with an exemplary military background. McCain is no match for Putin. Russia's Putin will run circles around this old man. Sorry.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                            If we go with your definition, then I'd choose a leader with an exemplary military background. McCain is no match for Putin. Russia's Putin will run circles around this old man. Sorry.
                            Your joking right?

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                            • #15
                              Conservatives don't have to ever explain ANYTHING. It's only after they have been indicted that they have to and sometimes, even then, they LIE.
                              -I don't feel you honor someone by creating a physical gesture (the salute). You honor them by holding them in memory and, in law enforcement, proceeding in vigilant, ethical police work. You honor this country or deceased soldiers or whatever you're honoring when you salute a flag by thinking, feeling, and continuing a life of freedom.

                              --ArkansasRed24

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