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  • #46
    Originally posted by kyle bermingham View Post
    Scooter Libby was convicted of one count of Obstruction of justice; two counts of Perjury; and one count of Making false statements; he wasn't convicted as a result of "not getting the date correct."

    While I mentioned Plane and Ritter, there is so much more that goes to the lies and mistatements given to the US public. However, you have reduced this to calling me a liar. There is nothing I can say or do to change your opinion so I will give up.
    Check the records on what he lied about.....it had nothing to do with her being employed by the CIA, it was about WHEN he knew and who told him. None of which led back to the administration.

    Not calling you a liar personally, those lies have been said so many times they are now taken as fact, as evidenced by you believing them.
    A Veteran is someone who at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America, for an amount up to, and including their life. That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who no longer understand that fact!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by GrndPnd0311 View Post
      You're kidding me right???
      No I am not kidding.......
      Retired LASD

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Retired96 View Post
        No I am not kidding.......
        Then proceed, sir, in educating me on how President Bush has made us a safer nation and how we have yet to be attacked....
        "Against the machinations of your enemies you can take defense, but against the stupidity of fools, the very gods themselves fight in vain" ~ Johann C.F. Von Schiller


        "Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."
        --Thomas Jefferson

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        • #49
          Originally posted by GrndPnd0311 View Post
          Then proceed, sir, in educating me on how President Bush has made us a safer nation and how we have yet to be attacked....
          Has this country had a terrorist attack on our soil since 9-11, No, that was the point of my statement.
          Retired LASD

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Retired96 View Post
            Has this country had a terrorist attack on our soil since 9-11, No, that was the point of my statement.

            Remember, correlation doesn't mean causation.

            It is really hard to say that we are "safer" or "stronger" because those are opinions, just like it is hard to say we are "weaker" or "less safe."

            One can argue that we are less safe because the military is stretched thin, but on the other hand, the military has combat experience so we are more safe.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by finfanfromWA View Post
              Remember, correlation doesn't mean causation.

              It is really hard to say that we are "safer" or "stronger" because those are opinions, just like it is hard to say we are "weaker" or "less safe."

              One can argue that we are less safe because the military is stretched thin, but on the other hand, the military has combat experience so we are more safe.
              Exactly my point. Thank you. The marker shouldnt be that we havent been attacked yet. It is safe to say that our image in foreign eyes is diminishing (see comments from Turkey, the stubbornness of Iran, the aggression of Russia...) It takes time. They started planning for the 9/11 attacks in the mid 90s. It actually bothers me more that we have yet to be hit yet. We have a northern border that is the longest common border in the world and yet has more holes than some of the folks in this forums drawers! We have a border patrol that is a joke, with retention rates ridiculously low, and a Homeland Security that is more reactive than proactive. I am not saying that Obama nor McCain are the ones that will fix it, I am merely stating that George Bush cant and shouldnt take credit for us not being attacked, yet....
              "Against the machinations of your enemies you can take defense, but against the stupidity of fools, the very gods themselves fight in vain" ~ Johann C.F. Von Schiller


              "Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."
              --Thomas Jefferson

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              • #52
                Originally posted by (S)Sgt Elmer View Post
                Bearcat, you're really on point today if you're willing to deal with that. What is that, the billionth time that argument is going to take place?

                My hat is off to you my friend, you've got more guts (or more free time ) than I.
                Thanks.....

                I would have answered earlier but I was in the Middle of Kansas looking for an AWOL......

                I did get to listen to XM all day and hear all the non-sense that the Libs are saying about the VP pic....... They should be ashamed of themselves....

                If we (Repubs) said have the crap they have spewed about Biden....they would be howling at the moon for our heads.......

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by kyle bermingham View Post
                  There was WMD, at some point, before the war. With that being said, what is more relevant, is that the WMD program was scrapped before the war. When? I don't know. However, there were many people that believed there wasn't any WMD. There were also MANY people in the intelligence feild that indicated as much. There wasn't any "yellow cake Uranium" and Al-queda operatives never met with Saddam's people.

                  The only "bad intelligence" was from the minority of people that conveyed to the administration there was WMD. A great number of people in the field indicated there wasn't any evidence of WMD. What was Bush's response to this? The evocative statement, "Do you want you're evidence to be in the form of a mushroom cloud?"; outing Valery Plane; deriding Scott Ritter's conclusions; and more lies...

                  The misstatements and lies are now well documented. It baffles me, after all that has been reported, you would ostensibly believe there wasn't any prevarication by our Commander in Chief.

                  Oh, I know what the answer is: It is only the liberal media that reports this.

                  It must be a conspiracy.
                  Last time I checked, Willie was POTUS during Operation Southern Watch....you know, when we ran Combat Missions in/around Iraq due to everyone thinking he was up to no good and that he had WMD..... We were keeping him in check..... But, W. opted to do more......

                  Hell, I even posted on here, all the folks (both HOR/Senate plus all the folks World wide) that approved military action in 03......and truly thought he had WMD because of the Intel they had at the time....

                  Are you saying that all those folks were too stupid to do their own research and think that he didn't have the stuff there......that he didn't transfer the stuff to other countries....and that we didn't find stuff there....??

                  Ritter....? Are you kidding me..... All his info since DS1 is suspect at best....and it all depended on what side of the fence he was/is playing as to believe him.....

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                  • #54
                    He delievers word that others have written for him quite well, I'll give him that, and people are looking for a breath of fresh air and hope, that's fine, but he is dead wrong on every issue as far as I can tell. No wonder socialists around the world, Oprah, and the Hollyweird elite love him and I do not.

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                    • #55
                      Some of these posts really disappoint me. You can probably guess which.

                      Otherwise seemingly intelligent free thinkers; lead to slaughter just like the sheep in that stadium. Sad. Predictable, but sad.

                      Thank God McCain hit a homerun with his VP pick. A class lady; a solid American woman.

                      The community organizer with zero executive experience other than running a terror sympathizing board and having friends in low places, has just lost by a landslide. It's over - somebody tell His Holiness to come down from on high.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by finfanfromWA View Post
                        Remember, correlation doesn't mean causation.

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                        Nice use of fancy words. Prove we are not safer.
                        A Veteran is someone who at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America, for an amount up to, and including their life. That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who no longer understand that fact!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                          Some of these posts really disappoint me. You can probably guess which.
                          Me too!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by ray8285 View Post
                            Nice use of fancy words. Prove we are not safer.
                            Fancy words? Any senior in high school should have that statement drilled into their heads.

                            In any event, I am on your side. In my opinion we are safer, I just can't prove it because it is an opinion.

                            I feel that we have a stronger military now (combat tested). I feel that offense wins wars. I feel that terrorists now know that we are not going to take this laying down. BUT I can not say for sure that the military is actually stronger because I am not the one qualified to check military strength, offense may have won wars in the past, but who is to say that is how we will win the next one. Terrorists may be running scared, or they may be taking their time and plotting something HUGE.

                            Furthermore, I hope those in charge don't think that we are safer. Feelling safe seems like it is one short leap to complacency which I think both sides can agree is dangerous.

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