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  • #16
    Originally posted by ray8285 View Post
    Have to agree with you on this....his father was muslim, and he gave his son a muslim sounding name.
    Me as well, gives us all a bad name.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Columbus View Post
      That's pretty logical, how long did it take you to think that one out?

      Honestly though, I wish McCain would just leave abortion out his platform. Even though it's not going to change, too many people will be distracted by that one issue.
      I can't take credit, Howard Stern said it on his show last week.
      "The deepest human defeat suffered by human beings is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become."

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      • #18
        I think McCain should go with Alaska Governor Sara Palin

        She would court the conservative base, add youth and domestic experience to his ticket, and most importantly, court the upset Clinton supporters.
        “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

        "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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        • #19
          Originally posted by justhomp View Post
          I think McCain should go with Alaska Governor Sara Palin

          She would court the conservative base, add youth and domestic experience to his ticket, and most importantly, court the upset Clinton supporters.
          Her politics are spot on. As a kicker, she's mighty easy to look at too!
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          • #20
            Her politics are spot on. As a kicker, she's mighty easy to look at too!
            She's ok looking...Kind of cute w/ the glasses and all...I'll give her a 6...
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            • #21
              Honestly though, I wish McCain would just leave abortion out his platform. Even though it's not going to change, too many people will be distracted by that one issue
              You know that is a VERY good point.

              MANY moderates/independants would give McCain their vote if he'd soften his abortion stance.

              I can't fricking stand Obama, and I agree with McCain on about 75% of his stances. However, I will NOT vote for a Candidate who wants to make abortion illegal. I simply will NOT.

              So I will be voting for a 3rd party. End of story.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JMTX View Post
                You know that is a VERY good point.

                MANY moderates/independants would give McCain their vote if he'd soften his abortion stance.

                I can't fricking stand Obama, and I agree with McCain on about 75% of his stances. However, I will NOT vote for a Candidate who wants to make abortion illegal. I simply will NOT.

                So I will be voting for a 3rd party. End of story.
                Even tho you wont be directly voting FOR McCain, a third party vote will be like a vote for him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JMTX View Post
                  I will NOT vote for a Candidate who wants to make abortion illegal. I simply will NOT.
                  It doesn't matter what a candidate believes about abortion. The Supreme Court has already ruled that (within certain restrictions) it is legal. If a conservative is elected to the Office of President, he will probably appoint constructionist judges who believe in upholding prior Supreme Court decisions. Liberal candidates don't believe in precident. To them, the Constitution is an evolving work and their appointees feel they can change whatever they want.
                  "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mjhoyt27 View Post
                    I bet if Barack Obama knocked Cindy McCain up, McCain's view on abortion would change pretty quickly.
                    I bet you'd lose that bet. You're implicitly suggesting that Senator McCain would change his tune if one of the most troublesome aspects of the issue were visited upon his own family. That isn't true. Senator McCain does as much as he can to adhere to his principles even in times of adversity. I do think if there were a chance for Senator McCain to get Mr. Justice Blackmun's opinion in the Roe v Wade optative abortion decision overturned, he might settle over the nonconsensuality issue -- that's a very small percentage of the abortions that take place.

                    His faithful wife Cindy is almost certainly for age-associated reasons infertile, and Senator Obama, much as I dislike some aspects of him, I fully believe is faithful to his marriage vows, and almost certainly isn't a rapist, even though he's in my opinion quite corrupt.

                    I think your comment is inappropriate.

                    Sincerely,

                    Monty

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jellybean400 View Post
                      Even tho you wont be directly voting FOR McCain, a third party vote will be like a vote for him.
                      Interesting. Never heard it flipped like that....
                      “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

                      "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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                      • #26
                        I think a third party vote is effectively more like an abstention, but I wrote Senator John McCain in on my ballot in the general election when he didn't win the Republican nomination.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by justhomp View Post
                          Interesting. Never heard it flipped like that....
                          Weren't you alive in 2000?
                          "The deepest human defeat suffered by human beings is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become."

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                            I bet you'd lose that bet. You're implicitly suggesting that Senator McCain would change his tune if one of the most troublesome aspects of the issue were visited upon his own family. That isn't true. Senator McCain does as much as he can to adhere to his principles even in times of adversity. I do think if there were a chance for Senator McCain to get Mr. Justice Blackmun's opinion in the Roe v Wade optative abortion decision overturned, he might settle over the nonconsensuality issue -- that's a very small percentage of the abortions that take place.

                            His faithful wife Cindy is almost certainly for age-associated reasons infertile, and Senator Obama, much as I dislike some aspects of him, I fully believe is faithful to his marriage vows, and almost certainly isn't a rapist, even though he's in my opinion quite corrupt.

                            I think your comment is inappropriate.

                            Sincerely,

                            Monty
                            It was inappropriate, and I wasn't serious. I already mentioned that I heard it on the Stern Show and thought it was funny. A couple of things bothered me about your post. First, McCain has changed his position on numerous issues, after all this is a man that wrote an immigration bill, then said he wouldn't vote for his own bill. So I wouldn't be so sure that he wouldn't change his "principles" if push came to shove, he has been changing them since he became a canadiate. Second, I never said anything about anyone being rapped. I hope rape didn't come to your post just because Obama is a black man and Cindy is a white woman.
                            "The deepest human defeat suffered by human beings is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become."

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