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  • "Special squads of police" should disarm Americans???

    Get a load of what this liberal jack*** wants...
    (http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...0310/0/OPINION) (http://newsbusters.org/node/12358)

    Originally posted by toledoblade.com
    The disarming of America

    LAST week's tragedy at Virginia Tech in which a mentally disturbed person gunned down 32 of America's finest - intelligent young people with futures ahead of them - once again puts the phenomenon of an armed society into focus for Americans.

    The likely underestimate of how many guns are wandering around America runs at 240 million in a population of about 300 million. What was clear last week is that at least two of those guns were in the wrong hands.

    When people talk about doing something about guns in America, it often comes down to this: "How could America disarm even if it wanted to? There are so many guns out there."

    Because I have little or no power to influence the "if" part of the issue, I will stick with the "how." And before anyone starts to hyperventilate and think I'm a crazed liberal zealot wanting to take his gun from his cold, dead hands, let me share my experience of guns.

    As a child I played cowboys and Indians with cap guns. I had a Daisy Red Ryder B-B gun. My father had in his bedside table drawer an old pistol which I examined surreptitiously from time to time. When assigned to the American embassy in Beirut during the war in Lebanon, I sometimes carried a .357 Magnum, which I could fire accurately. I also learned to handle and fire a variety of weapons while I was there, including Uzis and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

    I don't have any problem with hunting, although blowing away animals with high-powered weapons seems a pointless, no-contest affair to me. I suppose I would enjoy the fellowship of the experience with other friends who are hunters.

    Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm. The population would then be given three months to turn in their guns, without penalty.

    Hunters would be able to deposit their hunting weapons in a centrally located arsenal, heavily guarded, from which they would be able to withdraw them each hunting season upon presentation of a valid hunting license. The weapons would be required to be redeposited at the end of the season on pain of arrest. When hunters submit a request for their weapons, federal, state, and local checks would be made to establish that they had not been convicted of a violent crime since the last time they withdrew their weapons. In the process, arsenal staff would take at least a quick look at each hunter to try to affirm that he was not obviously unhinged.

    It would have to be the case that the term "hunting weapon" did not include anti-tank ordnance, assault weapons, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, or other weapons of war.

    All antique or interesting non-hunting weapons would be required to be delivered to a local or regional museum, also to be under strict 24-hour-a-day guard. There they would be on display, if the owner desired, as part of an interesting exhibit of antique American weapons, as family heirlooms from proud wars past or as part of collections.

    Gun dealers could continue their work, selling hunting and antique firearms. They would be required to maintain very tight inventories. Any gun sold would be delivered immediately by the dealer to the nearest arsenal or the museum, not to the buyer.

    The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

    Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying."

    The "gun lobby" would no doubt try to head off in the courts the new laws and the actions to implement them. They might succeed in doing so, although the new approach would undoubtedly prompt new, vigorous debate on the subject. In any case, some jurisdictions would undoubtedly take the opportunity of the chronic slowness of the courts to begin implementing the new approach.

    America's long land and sea borders present another kind of problem. It is easy to imagine mega-gun dealerships installing themselves in Mexico, and perhaps in more remote parts of the Canadian border area, to funnel guns into the United States. That would constitute a problem for American immigration authorities and the U.S. Coast Guard, but not an insurmountable one over time.

    There could conceivably also be a rash of score-settling during hunting season as people drew out their weapons, ostensibly to shoot squirrels and deer, and began eliminating various of their perceived two-footed enemies. Given the general nature of hunting weapons and the fact that such killings are frequently time-sensitive, that seems a lesser sort of issue.

    That is my idea of how it could be done. The desire to do so on the part of the American people is another question altogether, but one clearly raised again by the Blacksburg tragedy.

    Dan Simpson, a retired diplomat, is a member of the editorial boards of The Blade and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
    And conservatives supposedly stomp on the Constitution???
    Last edited by equinox137; 04-29-2007, 07:13 AM.
    "First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama." - Al Sharpton, March 21, 2010

  • #2
    Hey, I'm a liberal and this is the funniest thing I've ever read. I'm on the fence with this pro/anti gun thing, but he wants to do away with the 2nd and 4th amendment simutaneously.

    The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

    the 4th amendment states: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    WHAT THE H**L IS HE THINKING?

    A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying... that he is wiser today than yesterday. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745

    It's only a conspiracy when your party is not in power.

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    • #3
      The article is so odd that it's hard, even for a pinko Limey, to believe that it's not some kind of private joke.

      Firstly there is a passing mention of the recent tragedy in Virginia. We then immediately move to ... "and we must therefore disarm" without any explanation as to how we've arrived at this conclusion.

      Mr Simpson then somewhat undercuts his argument by explaining that he himself carried a pistol for his own protection whilst working overseas. He then claims to have learned how to operate RPG's whilst working in Beirut. Unless he was taking occasional pot-shots at one or other of the warring militias over there, I can't imagine how this would have occurred (I used to work with several diplomats and other civil servants who were trained to use pistols before being sent Bosnia during the war there, but none were trained to use rocket launchers).

      We then move on to his suggestion that hunters should have to check their rifles in and out of an armoury. The armourers would then be able to tell whether the hunters were unhinged. Obvious. It's easy to tell whether someone is mentally ill at a glance. The teams of mental health care professionals we employ are just stringing us along, pretending that assessments of this nature require a great deal of time and training.

      Then we have the stick. If you're found in possession of a firearm, you're looking at one year in prison! Well, over here, it's mandatory five years for possession of a handgun, and it doesn't look like the criminal fraternity have paid that much attention.

      Finally the "special squads". Well, about a dozen argument immediately spring to mind. But the sheer practicality of it beggars belief. If guns are illegal to possess, presumably their owners will have hidden them. Any cop can tell you how long it takes to undertake a thorough search of a house, let alone a city block. The Nazis of course used to do this sort of thing in places like Warsaw. It worked so well that arms caches laid down by the Partisans and Jews are still occasionally turning up during building work I gather.

      Since Mr Simpson has proposed the idea, no doubt he would have no objection if his house and neighbourhood were selected for the first of these random searches. I am sure he would whole heartedly support his being woken by officers pointing flashlights and firearms in his face, him and his family being pulled out of their beds and cuffed, and then his being detained in his own home whilst all his possessions were rifled through.
      Last edited by Cockney Corner.; 04-28-2007, 03:26 AM.
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      • #4
        I read that and wonder if the writer wasn't intentionally trying to see if he could violate all 10 Amedmments of the Bill of Rights in one fell swoop. He covered the Second, Fourth, and Fifth pretty adequately...

        I suppose these "Special Squads of Police" would start off wearing brown shirts and armbands. Over time, of course, they could institute a uniform change to a more traditional black and silver with the approprate regalia (Totenkopfts, jackboots, and lightningbolt SS's).
        "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
        -Friedrich Nietzsche

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        • #5
          Liberalism is a mental disorder

          Originally posted by Bing_Oh View Post
          I read that and wonder if the writer wasn't intentionally trying to see if he could violate all 10 Amedmments of the Bill of Rights in one fell swoop. He covered the Second, Fourth, and Fifth pretty adequately...

          I suppose these "Special Squads of Police" would start off wearing brown shirts and armbands. Over time, of course, they could institute a uniform change to a more traditional black and silver with the approprate regalia (Totenkopfts, jackboots, and lightningbolt SS's).
          They did this in Australia and gun vilolence went up 67%! If liberals feel one way no amount of proven facts or results is going to disuade their efforts to spread gun control. That is why their opinions are next to lunacy when it comes to gun control. FACTS are not enough for the mentally disturbed.
          "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. The MARINES don't have that problem." ....Ronald Reagan

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          • #6
            On the fence eh?

            Originally posted by LeanG View Post
            Hey, I'm a liberal and this is the funniest thing I've ever read. I'm on the fence with this pro/anti gun thing, but he wants to do away with the 2nd and 4th amendment simutaneously.

            The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

            the 4th amendment states: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

            WHAT THE H**L IS HE THINKING?
            It's not PROGUN VS ANTIGUN. It's 2nd ammendment VS Violation of Civil Rights. This ammendment has been hammered at so many times there are books of documented cases where GUN CONTROL has failed and actually killed law abiding citizens. But that isn't enough to get you off the "fence" and it never will be. And that is the position many liberals are in, wishy washy don't take a stand sitting on the fence. Thats why the 2nd ammendment is in place. It says it doesnt matter where you sit, we have the Right to bear arms. That includes you wheter you like guns or not. They can't be taken away. but still they are . VA Tech students were masacred by a nut who was set on doing what he did I guess he didnt read the sign that said no guns on campus. No carry on campus laws disarmed students who are lawabiding making them sheep for that wolf to conduct his evil deeds that day. The 2nd ammendment left that college and the liberals helped in that action so they are ultimately responsible for not letting the students protect themsleves which is afforded to them by the 2nd ammendment. If you dont like guns that is fine. But the same gun you hate could save your life some day. AMERICA is great because of freedoms. To choose. To be a sheep or not to be a sheep.
            "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. The MARINES don't have that problem." ....Ronald Reagan

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            • #7
              I Know My ID, issued weapon, and Badge would be on the desk if i ever got an order like that..or, more likely inserted in the ventral orifice of whoever was stupid enough to GIVE me such a blatantly Illegal order...

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              • #8
                Wow.....

                I sent an email to the editor in Chief of that paper, we'll see if he replies....

                "Dear Sir-

                I recently read with disgust and revulsion the article by Dan Simpson titled, "the disarming of America." I would like to know if your newspaper is in the habit of employing Fascists as editors. Mr. Simpson obviously has no respect whatsoever for the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, specifically as noted by his article, the Second and Fourth Amendments. To be honest, I am less concerned with his anti-gun standpoint then I am with his blatant disregard for the rights of all Americans to be free from unreasonable search and siezure. The Fourth Amendment is one of the most precious rights that we as Americans posess, and for him to suggest that we give that right up in the name of attempting to lesses gun violence is just sickening. For the record, I am a Law Enforcement Officer and deal with Fourth Amendment issues on a daily basis as part of my job. I understand the frustration of a criminal getting away or a crime going unsolved because probable cause cannot be established to get a search warrant. Nevertheless, when you start to sacrifice liberty for some perceived security, you unravel the very thread that makes this country unique and great. If we suddenly open the doors of every American household to the police for the purposes of searching for guns, how long until those doors stay open for everything else? How long until we see a Neo-Nazi society in the United States, where teams of secret police kick your door down in the middle of the night to search for evidence of "undesirable" thoughts, beliefs or backgrounds? The attitude that Mr. Simpson expresses in his article, on a grand scale, could (and did in 1930s/1940s Germany under the Nazis) lead to the complete dismantlement of the democratic government in this country, and in a worst case scenario, an American Holocaust.

                Mr. Simpson is entitled to his beliefs, of course. He is even entitled to put the more ridiculous ones on paper. He is entitled to do these things because of another Amendment, The First, the one which allows those of you in the media to run your businesses without fear of government censorship or retaliation for unfavorable press. I guarantee you sir, that if Mr. Simpson's vision is allowed to come to fruition, you will see that right disappear as quickly as all the others. I sincerely hope that Mr. Simpson does not speak for your entire organization, and that the Toledo Blade still believes in the sacred document, the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

                Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you.

                Sincerely,

                XXXXX"
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                Ten dash eight!

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                • #9
                  Pittsburgh, PA huh?.....Sounds more like something that would come out of Pittsburg,CA.....but then the press tends to be extreme left all across the nation...a classic example of the mental illness syndrome more commonly known as "liberalism" characterized by irrational speech and actions resulting from ideas and plans formed in the emotional lobes of the brain to the exclusion of the intellectual lobes of the brain and for which currently there is no known cure............

                  To confiscate all the firearms in the country I think it would be more practical to have thousands of squadrons of helicopters fly in formation with extraordinarily high powered electro magnets to collect all the firearms than to send out "SS" troops to search everyone and everywhere and I still do not believe they could all be gathered up. Also, logic dictates that the people who shouldn't have firearms (the criminal minded and the mentally unstable)
                  would likely be the last ones to part company with the weapons. That being said, I may support a law making it illegal for liberals to own firearms.

                  Ironically, present gun control laws failed us in the Virginia tragedy. The gunman had already been assessed as a danger to himself and others by a judge, yet this information was not contained in the database which was checked to determine if this guy was qualified to purchase a firearm. Perhaps we should fix the obvious failings of the current system. Ya think?? Not that it would have prevented this tragedy. The madman was obviously intent on wreaking havoc so he would have found a way to acquire the weapons one way or another.

                  Also ironically, had one of those 32 victims been armed, the body count may well have been much lower which is a logical argument for the right in all 50 states to a concealed carry permit for any adult who has no criminal record or mental illness record, who can demonstrate safe, proficient use of a firearm and who understands that deadly force is only justified to defend the life of a human being from a criminal assault likely to cause death or serious bodily injuryl IMHO.
                  Last edited by JPR; 05-02-2007, 07:45 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Because I have little or no power to influence the "if" part of the issue, I will stick with the "how." And before anyone starts to hyperventilate and think I'm a crazed liberal zealot wanting to take his gun from his cold, dead hands, let me share my experience of guns
                    It seems like an accurate characterization to me.............IMO the thoughts expressed by Dan Simpson are far more dangerous to America than firearms....imagine what this country would be like if instead of a
                    likely underestimate of how many guns are wandering around America runs at 240 million
                    we had a likely estimate of this many people with the same mindset.
                    Jubilant Patriotic Republican

                    America gave Obama the benefit of the doubt when they elected him. Obama is now giving America the doubt of the benefit of his governance......Change you can bereave in!..JPR

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by thirdgod View Post
                      I sent an email to the editor in Chief of that paper, we'll see if he replies....

                      I sent a letter to the editor.....I wonder if they will print it.....

                      It is hard to believe you would publish such an outlandish piece and even harder to believe anybody would pay for it. And I'm a Californian saying this! I saw Mr. Simpson's photo so I know he is old enough to know better than to have such an immature and dangerous outlook on society. The view he expresses is far more dangerous to this country than firearms. Imagine what this country would be like if instead of......"The likely underestimate of how many guns are wandering around America runs at 240 million........" we had a likely underestimate of 240 million people wandering around America with Mr. Simpson's point of view.
                      Jubilant Patriotic Republican

                      America gave Obama the benefit of the doubt when they elected him. Obama is now giving America the doubt of the benefit of his governance......Change you can bereave in!..JPR

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                      • #12
                        That is brilliant.

                        people often think that if you get rid of the second ammendment..... then the other rights will also slowly fall by the way side.

                        What they did not realize is to totally get rid of the second ammendment....they will also need to simultaneously get rid of the fourth.
                        This guy is thinking.

                        yeah he loves guns..... after all he had a red ryder bb gun. or so he says.

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                        • #13
                          Take my guns

                          Although I doubt this would ever happen, NOBODY, is taking away my guns.

                          They can have my guns over my dead body.
                          Annoy a liberal use facts and logic

                          Liberalism, when hating America just isn't enough

                          Liberals, destroying freedom one Bill at a time

                          Obama the Change we can't afford

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                          • #14
                            What the f--k?

                            That article just blew my mind away. The 2nd Amendment whether you like it or not is the very key to our rights and civil liberties, take it away and we will lose all of our other rights.

                            The right of the American people to keep and bear arms is what makes us a true democracy and free society.

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                            • #15
                              All that this article does is illustrate just how out of touch the media is with reality.

                              Any editor with an inkling of a clue would have never let that stroy see the light of day...and any author that really thinks that way needs a serious reality check. These big city flunkies never cease to amaze me.
                              "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

                              Norman Thomas

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