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  • #61
    Useless legislation, from a useless Democratic administration.

    You got that right.
    "The American People will never knowingly adopt Socialism. Under the name of "liberalism" they will adopt every segment of the socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."

    Norman Thomas

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    • #62
      Gun control and abortion are two topics that will always draw in money for a politician. Whether they are for or against either, there's a lot of emotion behind both issues and consequently a lot of money.

      Politicians want neither to go away and want to keep them on the front pages as much as possible.

      Jim
      "Life's tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne

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      • #63
        Okay folks,I will make it real simple. I will take whatever nasty little "assault rifle" you want. I will put the highest capacity magazine on it that I can find. That magazine will be loaded with the latest "thermonuclear,heatseeking,armor piercing,wire guided,and just plain not nice" ammunition that the bleeding heart liberals want to ban this week. I will even chamber a round and take the safety off. Then I will put the weapon down. THAT WEAPON WILL NOT GET UP AND START SHOOTING PEOPLE! People are the problems here,not the weapons. I have been in law enforcement for five years and have confiscated only ONE automatic weapon. I will not support a gun ban. I will not tell the people that I go out and risk my life every day for that they cannot protect themselves. I know that law enforcement cannot be everywhere at once. And with the rise in home invasions by multiple suspects,that so called "assualt weapon" may be the victims best bet until help arrives. Also if a gun ban ever passes,I WILL NOT TAKE GUNS FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. To quote the great Charlton Heston,"FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!"
        If you stare into the abyss long enough,sometimes it stares back.

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        • #64
          AWB

          I would like to see it die, however I think it is completly reasonable to limit magazine capacity. Bayonet lugs, flash hiders & collapsible stocks make NO DIFFERENCE as to how many people you can kill with the weapon. I would limit rifles to 10, handguns to 15. That would force at least a pause in reloading if a shooter wanted to "pray & spray" a crowd of people.

          As for other gun issues, I'm for civilians getting CCW permits, for background checks at gun shows, and against these stupid lawsuits seeking to drive gun manufacturers out of business. All in all, I agree about 75% with the NRA.
          Steven T Ling

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          • #65
            Re: AWB

            Originally posted by Stevie T
            I would like to see it die, however I think it is completly reasonable to limit magazine capacity.
            That is one of the most inane parts of the whole AWB. If you didn't already know it, you can still get high capacity magazines. They just have to be manufactured prior to 1994. Believe me, there is no shortage of them out there, they're very easy to get!

            Plus, do you know how quick a semi-automatic handgun or rifle can be reloaded? It should take a competent shooter only a second or two to do it. Not going to make that much difference.

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            • #66
              I gotta agree with Patrick. Lawmakers like to point to England, and Europe in general when speaking of gun controls, and how they work. Something that usually remains unmentioned is the fact that there is no magazine capacity limit in Europe. Funny, isn't it?
              I'd just like to thank all the stupid people out there...You helped pay for my kids' Christmas.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by wprebeck
                I gotta agree with Patrick. Lawmakers like to point to England, and Europe in general when speaking of gun controls, and how they work. Something that usually remains unmentioned is the fact that there is no magazine capacity limit in Europe. Funny, isn't it?
                Something else they fail to mention, crime is on the rise in the UK. It's also rising in Australia. And it's also getting easier to get a gun ILLEGALLY in the UK.

                But the guys who want to take guns from civilians try to ignore those facts.

                Regarding magazine capacity. Remember this, laws only effect the law-abiding citizens. The Bad guys will get whatever they want, in whatever capacity they want, whenever they want it.

                Laws only stop the bad guys when they get caught.

                Of course, that's just my opinion.
                Big Gay Al
                "I'm sooper, thanks for Asking."
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by wprebeck
                  I gotta agree with Patrick. Lawmakers like to point to England, and Europe in general when speaking of gun controls, and how they work. Something that usually remains unmentioned is the fact that there is no magazine capacity limit in Europe. Funny, isn't it?
                  Why bother to limit magazine capacity if no one can buy a gun?

                  DaveInTx

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                  • #69
                    There are some countries in Europe where people are allowed to possess firearms. It's just in England and a few other places where the people are not allowed to ablely (sp?) defend themselves!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Deputy757
                      There are some countries in Europe where people are allowed to possess firearms. It's just in England and a few other places where the people are not allowed to ablely (sp?) defend themselves!
                      Yup, in fact, in England, defending yourself can get you in jail!
                      Big Gay Al
                      "I'm sooper, thanks for Asking."
                      NRA Life Member
                      Member MCRGO.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Deputy757
                        There are some countries in Europe where people are allowed to possess firearms. It's just in England and a few other places where the people are not allowed to ablely (sp?) defend themselves!
                        What I was implying was that, since firearms ownership in most European countries is so restricted already, with lots of hoops that have to be jumped through, why bother to restrict magazines? Magazines are not useful without the guns to put them in, and the government already seriously curtails such ownership to people it believes are not a threat.

                        DaveInTx

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                        • #72
                          I do not support the AWB and I hope it dies.

                          First of all it is not an assault weapon ban since it deals with semi-auto firearms and, by definition, "assault" weapons are FULLY automatic. Of course if they called it the "semi-automatic firearm ban" it would not get as much support.

                          Secondly I feel that it is the person we should be restricting, not the weapon. If you are responsible and law abiding enough to trust with a firearm then I really don't care what kind of firearm you own as you are not going to use it illegally anyway. And like wise if you are a criminal and/or cannot be trusted with a firearm then I don't want you to have ANY firearm at all.

                          The way i look at it is ... an fully auto AK47 in the hands of Mother Theresa is not even a dangerous weapon but a pencil in the hands of Jeffery Dahmer is a very dangerous weapon. I could care less what Mother Theresa owned but I don't want Jefferey Dahmer to even have access to anything that is sharp!

                          I just don't see the logic that a person that can legally buy a gun without a bayonet lug will choose to not kill anyone now that he cannot buy the same gun with the bayonet lug. The person that will use these weapons illegally is buying them and modifying them illegally anyway so all this law does it hurt the legal law abiding guy that will not use the gun illegally anyway.

                          And if yo don't think that a law that outlaws guns because they have a bayonet mount is silly then I ask you ... how many of my fellow LE officers here have come upon a homicide scene where the victim was laying there with a bayonet sticking out of them mounted to the end of a rifle? I saw a lot of things in NYC while I worked there and I never saw anyone run through with a bayonet mounted on the end of a rifle so I don't know what percentage of homicides we are stopping here.

                          All I know is that I have a gun that can have a 11 round magazine but because of this stupid law it has a 10 round mag. Lord knows the havoc I could wreak with that extra round.

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                          • #73
                            Guys,I just want to clear something up. An "assualt weapon" is not a firearm. A true assualt weapon is anything that you use to injure or kill another person, A TOASTER can be an assualt weapon if you beat someone to death with it.
                            If you stare into the abyss long enough,sometimes it stares back.

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                            • #74
                              Hate to disagree but yes there is a definition of an assault weapon as defined by military standards. It has certain specs as opposed to other arms. The military defines everything they use in the same way they don't call a Jeep a Jeep or a car a car. If you are familiar with firearms you would know that it is fairly common knowledge amongst people knowledgeable in arms that an assault weapon is, among other things, full auto. There is a difference between an "assault rifle" and a rifle with which I assault you.

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                              • #75
                                I agree with Sentinel, but the term "Assault Weapon" is one coined by the Press and the Liberal Left.

                                They try to include semi-auto pistols in the category of assault weapons. Specially if they are like my OLD Taurus PT-92 and have a magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds. Granted, this is something that the Clinton Administration added more definition to. And I think it's plain wrong.

                                There shouldn't be ANY pistols listed on the Assault Weapons Ban, and the magazine capacity limitations should not apply to pistols.

                                Then again, there shouldn't be an assault weapons ban at all. As usual, the liberals conviently forgot that laws only affect the law-abiding citizens, not the criminals.

                                So, what else is new.
                                Big Gay Al
                                "I'm sooper, thanks for Asking."
                                NRA Life Member
                                Member MCRGO.
                                Coordinator MI PinkPistols

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