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  • Should Rights be spelled out or, as they seem to be today, "Implied."

    • The "right" to an abortion on demand
    • The "right" to free rubbers and the pill
    • The "right" to a "fair" wage
    • The "right" to free medical care
    • The "right" to a free cell phone
    • The "right" to form a union
    • The "right" to sick time and vacation time
    • The "right" to a lunch break and coffee breaks
    I've heard many speak of these "rights" but they do not exist in our constitution. Should they be in there? Should the constitution be amended for every "right" people think they are entitled to? Just askin...
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  • #2
    The "right" to own the computer to type this.

    Does that need to be in the Constitution? The Constitution doesn't give us any rights, period, it limits government.
    I miss you, Dave.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
      • The "right" to an abortion on demand
      • The "right" to free rubbers and the pill
      • The "right" to a "fair" wage
      • The "right" to free medical care
      • The "right" to a free cell phone
      • The "right" to form a union
      • The "right" to sick time and vacation time
      • The "right" to a lunch break and coffee breaks
      I've heard many speak of these "rights" but they do not exist in our constitution. Should they be in there? Should the constitution be amended for every "right" people think they are entitled to? Just askin...
      Come on 1042 Obama, you know very well that you aren't just askin. As usual you are trying to start a debate between conservatives and liberals.
      Retired

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      • #4
        The Constitution of the United States doesn't grant any rights. It specifies exactly what powers the federal government has. The Constitution protects certain enumerated rights which pre existed the Constitution. Other rights exist, any right you can possibly imagine, they just aren't enumerated and specifically protected. That doesn't mean they aren't important:

        9th:The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

        One of the arguments against a Bill or Rights, prophetic as it turns out, was that people would assume any right not so enumerated didn't exist... which is exactly what most people think today.

        You have any right you can possibly think of. The problem is so does your neighbor. The role of government is SUPPOSED to be to allow everybody to exercise their rights to the greatest possible extent without impacting their NEIGHBOR'S rights.

        However, were we draw the line, or where we allow our congress and legislatures of the several states to draw that line, gets manipulated occasionally to the advantage of some.

        10th:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

        So any power not granted the federal government is supposed to be hashed out between the People and their respective state legislatures.

        If the People of a state want their legislature to limit their rights, that's their "right". They have the power to allow it or prevent it.

        If we want to elect Congresspersons who deliberately make end runs around that limitation, that's our right and we have that power.

        If We the People elect congress-critters or state legislators who help people fulfill their right to a cell phone or free medical care, that's our problem.

        "We the People" have the ultimate power in the country, including the power to run it into the ground.

        It's not about a list of enumerated rights, it's about what we're going to let the hired help get away with to buy votes and what we're going to force our neighbor to give up to pay for it... and how much we're going to let them bribe us with our own, or our neighbor's, money.
        Last edited by tanksoldier; 12-12-2012, 01:08 PM.
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        • #5
          My favorite was a few years ago, when Jesse Jackson said that all people have the right to own a home. They extorted banks into making that "dream" come true. How'd that work out?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by retired View Post
            Come on 1042 Obama, you know very well that you aren't just askin. As usual you are trying to start a debate between conservatives and liberals.
            Too bad he doesn't stick around and provide substance

            Anybody can spew rhetoric

            Hell, I can think of entire news networks, and countless radio pundits, that have made one heck of a living pandering to the lowest common intellectual denominator of our country.

            Wave that flag proudly...

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            • #7
              The right to freedom of speech and of the press along with the right of the People peaceably to assemble clearly guarantees the right to form a union.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                The right to freedom of speech and of the press along with the right of the People peaceably to assemble clearly guarantees the right to form a union.
                I think it more likely gives people the freedom to do so. Nowhere in the rights you named does it say anything about forming a union. A lot of people confuse freedom or ability to do something with the right to do so.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JustAJ View Post
                  I think it more likely gives people the freedom to do so. Nowhere in the rights you named does it say anything about forming a union. A lot of people confuse freedom or ability to do something with the right to do so.
                  As long as it's protected activity it doesn't matter whether its pursuant to a protected freedom or to a protected right.

                  The Constitution doesn't specifically say you have the right to publish the New York Times, either, but the right to publish it is definitely protected under the First Amendment.

                  I recognize that specific implementations or exercises of rights may also be categorized as exercises of freedoms or liberties, but the First Amendment stricture guaranteeing freedom of speech and of the press are part of what is know to everyone as the Bill of Rights.

                  The right of the People peaceably to assemble, along with the freedom of speech and of the press protect the right or freedom to form a union.

                  Under the Constitution the People have the right to not be improperly deprived of their protected freedoms or liberties and that is the same thing as a right to any not-improper exercise of those freedoms.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by retired View Post
                    Come on 1042 Obama, you know very well that you aren't just askin. As usual you are trying to start a debate between conservatives and liberals.

                    Yea!

                    Originally posted by _XD_ View Post
                    Too bad he doesn't stick around and provide substance

                    Wave that flag proudly...



                    Oh, I 'dink da' 1042 be back jack!



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    As long as it's protected activity it doesn't matter whether its pursuant to a protected freedom or to a protected right.

                    The Constitution doesn't specifically say you have the right to publish the New York Times, either, but the right to publish it is definitely protected under the First Amendment.

                    I recognize that specific implementations or exercises of rights may also be categorized as exercises of freedoms or liberties, but the First Amendment stricture guaranteeing freedom of speech and of the press are part of what is know to everyone as the Bill of Rights.

                    The right of the People peaceably to assemble, along with the freedom of speech and of the press protect the right or freedom to form a union.

                    Under the Constitution the People have the right to not be improperly deprived of their protected freedoms or liberties and that is the same thing as a right to any not-improper exercise of those freedoms.

                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    As long as it's protected activity
                    For "them" it is everything and anything, but throw in the qualifier, for "them" and only "them".



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    it doesn't matter whether its pursuant to a protected freedom or to a protected right.
                    Right.



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    The Constitution doesn't specifically say you have the right to publish the New York Times
                    Right.



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    the right to publish it is definitely protected under the First Amendment.
                    Right.



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    I recognize that specific implementations or exercises of rights may also be categorized as exercises of freedoms or liberties
                    Right.



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    but the First Amendment stricture guaranteeing freedom of speech and of the press are part of what is know to everyone as the Bill of Rights.
                    Right, sticture:

                    Computa' Define I demand'z!!

                    Something that closely restrains or limits...
                    'Dank ya' computa'., Carry'z on Sire Major Monty.




                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    The right of the People peaceably to assemble
                    Right.



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    along with the freedom of speech and of the press protect the right or freedom to form a union.
                    Right.



                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    Under the Constitution the People have the right to not be improperly deprived of their protected freedoms
                    Right.




                    Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
                    liberties and that is the same thing as a right to any not-improper exercise of those freedoms.
                    Right.












                    I have a right ta' think liberals breed like rats.

                    And they deserve, errrr,, I mean have da' right ta' grow mo' than 2 tits, both male and females with God given, rightful "breed'in farms in which ta' procreate da' species.

                    I really like da' right to ta' enjoy sliced and diced, ova' easy, liberal dribble.

                    If I may make an analogy..

                    Liberal /commies /whateva' are like a plate glass window. You can bang them with T-totally common sense, like 2 +2 = 4. Liberalism makes them sit down and not budge on a truism of ideology, political, philosophical, less they are social well meaning unorganized dimwits, no matter how glaringly the truth of "out of the box free minds" they lack, the truth be damned of course. They finally shatter in a million pieces of demanding little, I want it now, I deserve it now, jack-offs and scream "mommy Gov'ment help us"!

                    Conclusion: True left of the left, Liberals are a classical definition of insanity. You know the one, the old adage. Yup, that definition of lunacy.



                    Dank 'ya fer' steer'in me in da' "right" direction Major M.



                    Originally posted by mookster
                    Sully, usually I hafta glance over your posts cuz my brain would have issues with the imagery you portray, however with that one I get it. I agree one hundred percent with ya.
                    Originally posted by CityCopDC
                    I swear to god you are not human. I know a rogue VI when I see one.
                    Originally posted by OfficerDotCom
                    I think no one is probably happier than Sully and I that we ARE NOT the same person.(seriously thanking God for that one).
                    -Frank




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                    • #11
                      magnificent rant sir

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by _XD_ View Post
                        Too bad he doesn't stick around and provide substance
                        Gotta let you libs stew in your own stink for a few days.

                        Anybody can spew rhetoric
                        You prove this point with every stroke of a key. Good job.

                        Hell, I can think of entire news networks, and countless radio pundits, that have made one heck of a living pandering to the lowest common intellectual denominator of our country.
                        Me too. MSNBC, National Barry Club, American Barry Cronies, Rachel Maddow, Larry O'Donnell, Chris Matthews...... idiots and racists, all.

                        Wave that flag proudly...
                        Liberals like you have no idea what that means. But I do. And I DO. Very much so. Now, contribute something constructive to this conversation, or leave. Nobody likes you.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                          Me too. MSNBC, National Barry Club, American Barry Cronies, Rachel Maddow, Larry O'Donnell, Chris Matthews...... idiots and racists, all.
                          You'll get no argument out of me there, as I wasn't only referring to "conservative" outlets. I don't pay much attention to pundits (on either side), but do you have anything to substantiate that Chris Matthews is a racist?


                          Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                          Liberals like you have no idea what that means. But I do. And I DO. Very much so.
                          What flag is that exactly?

                          Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                          Now, contribute something constructive to this conversation, or leave. Nobody likes you.

                          Make a deal with you, I will when you do

                          And good thing this isn't a popularity contest

                          I would think a man of your age and experience would conduct himself with more poise

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                          • #14
                            Umm uhh "poise? Is that a Frankish word? And we don't have to wait for the Trooper to tell us: it's an AMERICAN flag, Sir.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by _XD_ View Post

                              I would think a man of your age and experience would conduct himself with more poise
                              And I would think a snot nosed student like you would know it is often far better to shut your pie hole, listen (read) and show some respect, than to start right off in a cop forum pizzin' off the fixtures. If you just have to stay, fine. Then show some class and just read and learn before you post.
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                              BBQ and Goldfish Pond Club
                              Sully - IAM Rand - JasperST - L1 - The Tick - EmmaPeel - Columbus - LA Dep - SgtSlaughter - OneAdam12 - Retired96 - Iowa #1603
                              - M1Garand

                              (any BBQ and Goldfish Pond member may nominate another user for membership but just remember ..... this ain't no weenie roast!)



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