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  • Fed Threat Shuts Down TSA "Groping" Bill in Texas

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-le...bill-in-texas/

    A threat from the federal government to shut down Texas airports or cancel flights may have killed legislation by Tea Party conservatives in the Texas Capitol to prohibit federal Transportation Security Administration agents from conducting "invasive searches."

    “I don’t cave in to heavy handed threats by the federal government,” said an angry Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, the Senate sponsor of the bill, who ultimately withdrew the bill.


    The irony in the article is the statement from Sen Patrick, "I don't cave in..."

    Uh... Sen. Patrick... obviously you do cave in.
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    Sadly he does. It would have sent quite a strong message that representatives had actually started representing their constituents again. There's a reason the airlines are losing business and the nature of "security theater" is one of the core reasons. Most of the folks I know have switched to private transportation choices on nearly anything that's under a 5 or 6 hour drive away. At a time when we should be embracing mass transit, we're being driven away from it. A trip from DFW to SAT, OKC, ABQ, LIT, KCI, etc. takes twice as long because of the lead/lag times added at each end of the trip.
    Last edited by Bounce; 05-26-2011, 08:17 AM.

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    • #3
      How could such a law be enforced?
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      • #4
        “TSA would likely be required to cancel any flight or series of flights for which it could not ensure the safety of passengers and crew”

        They can't ensure that anyway.

        In the event of ANY further attempts on flights, the TSA would have to step forward and accept full responsibility (civil and criminal). Anything short of such a stance would be less than "ensuring".

        Heck, they only check for vectors previously tried. That means their security theater will clearly miss any new vector until after it's been used (at least once). As has been noted by many security specialists, simply moving the vector to a point outside of the "secured area" where large groups of people are backed up due to current screening methodology would sidestep the so-called "groping" completely. The end result is tens of thousands of innocent travelers being subject to these humiliations while the next vector might be a bomb at the ticket counter or some other backed up location.
        Last edited by Bounce; 05-26-2011, 11:54 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DAL View Post
          How could such a law be enforced?
          Are TSA agents immune to other laws such as assault, rape, robbery, etc? If not, why not sexual battery?
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          • #6
            I doubt any TSA employee, or any LEO for that matter, is immune to any of the above crimes. The fact that you are touched during a legal search can in no way be considered a "sexual battery". Court Officers in NY have been searching people who enter our courthouses since the very early '90s. And our frisk is a lot more thorough than any I have ever experienced with the TSA. TSA searches are legal, constitutional and a fact of life, get over it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dinosaur32 View Post
              I doubt any TSA employee, or any LEO for that matter, is immune to any of the above crimes. The fact that you are touched during a legal search can in no way be considered a "sexual battery". Court Officers in NY have been searching people who enter our courthouses since the very early '90s. And our frisk is a lot more thorough than any I have ever experienced with the TSA. TSA searches are legal, constitutional and a fact of life, get over it.
              Why should I or anyone else get over it??
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              • #8
                TSA searches are not illegal and your dislike of their methods does not change that fact.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by retired View Post
                  Are TSA agents immune to other laws such as assault, rape, robbery, etc? If not, why not sexual battery?
                  If federal regulations authorize what they do, and the regulations are not obviously invalid, then TSA agents are not liable for conduct that conforms to the regulations. In addition, if the regulations are published, them choosing to go through screening at the airport constitutes consent to conduct that conforms to the regulations.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dinosaur32 View Post
                    TSA searches are not illegal and your dislike of their methods does not change that fact.
                    Where did I say the searches were illegal?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by retired View Post
                      Where did I say the searches were illegal?
                      You didn't. Evidently, being groped doesn't bother some folks. Heck, it doesn't overly bother me in one way, but watching my wife, my mother, my grandson be manhandled by a crew of louts in uniform offends me in many different ways.

                      Oh well, different strokes for different folks. Some will willingly submit to the government; some won't.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dinosaur32 View Post
                        I doubt any TSA employee, or any LEO for that matter, is immune to any of the above crimes. The fact that you are touched during a legal search can in no way be considered a "sexual battery". Court Officers in NY have been searching people who enter our courthouses since the very early '90s. And our frisk is a lot more thorough than any I have ever experienced with the TSA. TSA searches are legal, constitutional and a fact of life, get over it.
                        Excellent point. Courthouses across the country subject people to searches just as or more stringent that those at the airports while people entering a courthouse are often compelled to do so as opposed to voluntarily boarding an airplane. Nobody seems to make an issue of the courthouse searches. Why not? They are public facilities aren't they? Whereas the airlines, under government regulations, are private entities.

                        Someone please 'splain' that to me.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FNA209 View Post
                          You didn't. Evidently, being groped doesn't bother some folks. Heck, it doesn't overly bother me in one way, but watching my wife, my mother, my grandson be manhandled by a crew of louts in uniform offends me in many different ways.

                          Oh well, different strokes for different folks. Some will willingly submit to the government; some won't.

                          I wouldn't mind being groped by some fine females (like the Russian female cadets pictured in the other thread) but by dudes no way!

                          All though I would much rather drive than fly some of the things I've heard about TSA are disturbing and some just ridiculous. Hearing about some of the extra curricular activities and hobbies of some TSA screeners doesn't help any.

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                          • #14
                            I come and go in Federal and State facilities (including court houses/rooms) all the time. The scans and searches at these places have never (in over 35 years) been as intrusive as the new processes at airports.
                            Last edited by Bounce; 06-07-2011, 09:04 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bounce View Post
                              I come and go in Federal and State facilities all the time. The scans and searches at these places have never (in over 35 years) been as intrusive as the new processes at airports.
                              Neither are those in any courthouse I've been to. Even going to a jail or prison, I am not subjected to anything like what the government thinks permissible at the airport. It's little more than training people to allow the government to take liberties with us. It has no serious intent other than that. We won't allow any actual detection of ill intent to take place, but the government is perfectly happy to use the airport searches as a mechanism to train you to submit to them.
                              "Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince" - Unknown Author
                              ______________________________________________

                              "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." - Thomas Jefferson
                              ______________________________________________

                              “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.” - John Adams

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