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  • Pastor Terry Jones' Mosque Protest Trial Underway - Violate Free Speech?

    http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news...st-20110422-mr

    Pastor Terry Jones' Mosque Protest Trial Underway

    Updated: Friday, 22 Apr 2011, 8:51 AM EDT
    Published : Friday, 22 Apr 2011, 7:32 AM EDT

    Posted by myFOXDetroit.com Staff

    DEARBORN, Mich. - A jury is hearing arguments on whether a Florida pastor must post a so-called "peace" bond ahead of his planned demonstration outside a Michigan mosque.

    District Judge Mark Somers ruled Thursday that evidence shows Jones and an associate plan to ignore Dearborn's denial of a permit to protest outside the Islamic Center of America on Friday.

    Somers says the city of Dearborn didn't violate Jones' free speech rights by denying him a permit to protest outside the mosque. Somers says Jones rejected four alternative sites listed in a city ordinance.

    Jones has said he won't post any bond and says he won't change the protest location.

    Jurors are to start hearing testimony Friday morning.

    A burning of the Quran in March at Jones' Gainesville, Fla., church inflamed anti-Western sentiment in Afghanistan.
    Are his free speech rights being violated or is public safety more important in this case?
    Originally posted by RSGSRT
    We've reached a point where natural selection doesn't have a chance in hell of keeping up with the procreation of imbeciles.
    Why is it acceptable for you to be an idiot, but not acceptable for me to point it out?

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    He shouldn't need a "peace bond" IMO.

    I know some here don't like the pastor but I like him.

    I heard that mosque had connections (direct or indirect) to terrorist related groups?

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    • #3
      I'm not sure about the ties to terrorist related groups; but if there is, I hope that the feds are currently investigating them...

      As far as he goes - I get his point, but does pi**ing off terrorists really accomplish anything when we have so many Americans in harms way over seas? I dunno...I think it's a lose-lose scenario...
      Originally posted by RSGSRT
      We've reached a point where natural selection doesn't have a chance in hell of keeping up with the procreation of imbeciles.
      Why is it acceptable for you to be an idiot, but not acceptable for me to point it out?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Aerohead View Post

        As far as he goes - I get his point, but does pi**ing off terrorists really accomplish anything when we have so many Americans in harms way over seas? I dunno...I think it's a lose-lose scenario...
        They're terrorists. Aren't they all ready ****ed off?
        Last edited by westside popo; 04-22-2011, 12:45 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by westside popo View Post
          They're terrorists. Aren't they all ready ****ed off?
          Yeah but you know, We need to be sensitive to their feelings and show love to them. You know cuddle them and let them know by-golly they are welcome with open arms.
          You know we must show them we our a very forgiving people. Kill us we send you flowers and candy "MMM candy!" and such like that.

          I say we get flowers with bees in them and soak the candy in pig ****!
          Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by westside popo View Post
            ...I heard that mosque had connections (direct or indirect) to terrorist related groups?
            I doubt that that particular mosque has any direct ties. It is a really big mosque so it's always possible that some of the folks that worship there may have ties, just going by a pure percentage basis.

            The Feds are already all over the area. The situation is similiar to how it used to be with Boston and the IRA. Lots of money comes from here and goes to charities. It may even be donated in good faith, but some of those charities are terrorist fronts.
            There are basically two kinds of people in this world. Those that believe in the moon landing and those that don't.
            http://unistat76.blogspot.com/

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            • #7
              Here is the case to answer most of the questions about free speech and public safety.

              Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a United States Supreme Court case based on the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action. In particular, it overruled Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence. In the process, four prior Supreme Court decisions were invalidated:

              Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919)
              Abrams v. United States, 250 U.S. 616 (1919)
              Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)
              Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951)
              Retired

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              • #8
                if Westboro can protest at a hero's funeral, then even a wacky preacher should be allowed to protest at a mosque.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Vorkon View Post
                  Yeah but you know, We need to be sensitive to their feelings and show love to them. You know cuddle them and let them know by-golly they are welcome with open arms.
                  You know we must show them we our a very forgiving people. Kill us we send you flowers and candy "MMM candy!" and such like that.

                  I say we get flowers with bees in them and soak the candy in pig ****!
                  Love it!
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                  • #10
                    By RONNIE DAHL
                    WJBK | myFOXDetroit.com

                    DEARBORN, Mich. (WJBK) - A judge sent two controversial Florida pastors to the slammer Friday. The men came to Dearborn to protest outside a mosque, but a jury found their planned demonstration would likely cause a breach of the peace.

                    In the end, the pastors never held their protest, but they did spend virtually all day in court.

                    Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp wanted to demonstrate outside the Islamic Center of America.

                    They faced a trial by jury. Prosecutors called witnesses, including the Dearborn police chief, who claimed the protesting pastors would put the public in danger.

                    Ultimately, the jury agreed.

                    Prosecutors hoped the judge would set bond at $45,000. However, he only asked them to post one dollar each. The pastors refused, so they went to jail. We're told someone did post that bond for them and they were released.

                    The high drama didn't end inside the courtroom.

                    A rowdy mob swarmed around Terry Jones supporter Pastor David Grisham following Friday's verdict. They chanted, screamed and hollered at the Texas reverend.

                    Things got tense and Dearborn Police moved in to escort him safely out of the crowd.

                    "I just wanted to ask him, 'This means nothing to you? These people here screaming mean nothing? None of this matters? He was quiet. He had no answer for me," said protester Mahdi Saad.

                    "Hatred is not allowed in this world," another said. "Thank God he's not going to cause any trouble because we don't want problems between anybody."

                    Protesters were loud, but jurors had little to say. When asked whether he believed in freedom of speech, one said, "Yes, I do."

                    As the minutes ticked on, protesters kept up their vigil outside 19th District Court, then outside the Dearborn Police station, waiting in the rain and the cold for the chance to see the Florida pastor, ready to declare victory.

                    "All he's doing right now is trying to get publicity, and all he's doing with us, with the community is uniting us," said one man.

                    "We won. The community won," a woman said.

                    The barricades went up, the police dog came out and cops stood at the ready, but the tense mood diminished and the crowd dispersed after learning Jones and Sapp were slipped out the back.

                    Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy issued the following statement. She said, "These proceedings were solely about public safety. This was never about prohibiting free speech or fearing rioting, but about a situation that could potentially place the public in danger in Dearborn. I will continue to take stands to be proactive in keeping Wayne County safe."
                    Well, the outcome was that public safety trumped his civil rights, as in previous court cases.
                    Originally posted by RSGSRT
                    We've reached a point where natural selection doesn't have a chance in hell of keeping up with the procreation of imbeciles.
                    Why is it acceptable for you to be an idiot, but not acceptable for me to point it out?

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                    • #11
                      What a bunch of crap!

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                      • #12
                        disregard........................

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                        • #13
                          My university is across the street from this mosque and a huge police presence was already there, so no need for him to post bond to pay for the public safety required.

                          Everyone knows that if he did present there it would be most likely a full blown riot because it only takes a couple people to start it (it was already a semi-mess without him even there both at the mosque and outside city hall) and if one of them even tried to take a swing or do anything to him he can go home saying 'I told you so.'

                          That's the real reason why they didn't let him talk for thirty minutes. I'm just disappointed because again Michigan gets another black eye. We can't even let some looney rant for a few minutes! Really?!

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                          • #14
                            So in Michigan the First Amendment is only effective for screaming and ranting muslims, not Christian preachers. The apex of absurdity.

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                            • #15
                              terry jones is right.

                              for me , solve the problem, outlaw islam.
                              break censorship chains

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