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    So you stop a guy and he says:

    "Just so you know officer, I'm armed. I have a .357 in my waistband, a shotgun in front of my seat on the floor, a 6" hunting knife in the glove box, bear pepper spray in the console, a baseball bat in the back seat, an axe and 30.06 laying across the floor in back and a stick of dynamite in the trunk. I'm a rancher and was blowing up some beaver ponds while I checked my traplines and I was also hunting. I'm on the way home now."

    Some of you have said (and fervently defended your reasoning), you would (temporarily) disarm anyone who told you they were armed. Which of these weapopns would you take until the stop was completed.

    If not all of them, why would you let him keep some?

    Just askin.............
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Devon
    I would back away slowly and say, "have a good night sir."
    LMAO
    Indeed
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    • #3
      Hook 'em for various weapons violations and call the bomb squad.

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      • #4
        In what state was the stop and was the stop a vehicle or penal code violation?



        In Calee....he's going to jail.
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        • #5
          I would ask him to step out of the vehicle and I would remove the .357 until the contact was over. That's not unheard of in rural Arkansas, and I suspect you are in Wyoming and it's not unheard of there. Maybe no arrest. Circumstances, tatts, CH, and my feel for the guy would dictate my actions.

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          • #6
            For what, exactly, D2?
            Originally posted by deputy x 2 View Post
            In what state was the stop and was the stop a vehicle or penal code violation?



            In Calee....he's going to jail.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ozarkslawman View Post
              I would ask him to step out of the vehicle and I would remove the .357 until the contact was over. That's not unheard of in rural Arkansas, and I suspect you are in Wyoming and it's not unheard of there. Maybe no arrest. Circumstances, tatts, CH, and my feel for the guy would dictate my actions.
              So.... you would let him keep the pepper spray, knife, rifle, shotgun, baeball bat and axe?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post

                "Just so you know officer, I'm armed. I have a .357 in my waistband, a shotgun in front of my seat on the floor, a 6" hunting knife in the glove box, bear pepper spray in the console, a baseball bat in the back seat, an axe and 30.06 laying across the floor in back and a stick of dynamite in the trunk. I'm a rancher and was blowing up some beaver ponds while I checked my traplines and I was also hunting. I'm on the way home now."
                Sounds like a well-prepared guy with a lot of proficiency in a variety of areas.

                Given the way the OP is phrased, I probably wouldn't disarm him at all. Demeanor is worth a lot and this guy is calm and polite. I'm assuming he has the proper paperwork needed to have all of that stuff- though the OP doesn't say.

                I'd ask if I could help him the next time he was using dynamite. It's been a while since I worked with explosives and I could use the refresher.

                I wouldn't give him a ticket though!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                  For what, exactly, D2?
                  Well, lets say he doesnt have a CCW......and the weapons are loaded

                  1) Possession of concealed weapon in a vehicle (12025 PC)

                  2) Possession of a loaded weapon in public (12031 PC)

                  3) If he makes the mistake of saying that either the bat, knife, or axe are not 'tools', and are for 'his protection' then each of them is a felony....12020(a) PC

                  4) The dynamite, as far as I know, is a felony....not sure of the exact section


                  and blowing up beaver ponds?......in CA?......he would get turned over to PETA for summary execution!!!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LA DEP View Post

                    and blowing up beaver ponds?......in CA?......he would get turned over to PETA for summary execution!!!
                    LOL.

                    Yeah, that is probably what would happen in CA. As a matter-of-fact, isn't it a hate crime to even write about doing something like that?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                      So you stop a guy and he says:

                      "Just so you know officer, I'm armed. I have a .357 in my waistband, a shotgun in front of my seat on the floor, a 6" hunting knife in the glove box, bear pepper spray in the console, a baseball bat in the back seat, an axe and 30.06 laying across the floor in back and a stick of dynamite in the trunk. I'm a rancher and was blowing up some beaver ponds while I checked my traplines and I was also hunting. I'm on the way home now."

                      Some of you have said (and fervently defended your reasoning), you would (temporarily) disarm anyone who told you they were armed. Which of these weapopns would you take until the stop was completed.

                      If not all of them, why would you let him keep some?

                      Just askin.............
                      I'd seize all of them and hook up the rancher. The deal breaker for Mr. Rancher was the dynamite in the trunk. Even if he is a licensed blaster, carrying dynamite in an unplacarded vehicle without the required blast contaner violates multiple state and federal statutes. If there was no dynamite he may have been good to go if he had a license to carry and the long guns were unloaded. In Pennsylvania a firearm carried is a vehicle is considered concealed and loaded long guns within a vehicle are a violation of the Game laws as well as the crimes code.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                        So you stop a guy and he says:

                        "Just so you know officer, I'm armed. I have a .357 in my waistband, a shotgun in front of my seat on the floor, a 6" hunting knife in the glove box, bear pepper spray in the console, a baseball bat in the back seat, an axe and 30.06 laying across the floor in back and a stick of dynamite in the trunk. I'm a rancher and was blowing up some beaver ponds while I checked my traplines and I was also hunting. I'm on the way home now."

                        Some of you have said (and fervently defended your reasoning), you would (temporarily) disarm anyone who told you they were armed. Which of these weapopns would you take until the stop was completed.

                        If not all of them, why would you let him keep some?

                        Just askin.............
                        In AZ it would be more along the lines of "that's it?? What, did you just move here or something?"
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 1042 Trooper View Post
                          So you stop a guy and he says:

                          "Just so you know officer, I'm armed. I have a .357 in my waistband, a shotgun in front of my seat on the floor, a 6" hunting knife in the glove box, bear pepper spray in the console, a baseball bat in the back seat, an axe and 30.06 laying across the floor in back and a stick of dynamite in the trunk. I'm a rancher and was blowing up some beaver ponds while I checked my traplines and I was also hunting. I'm on the way home now."

                          Some of you have said (and fervently defended your reasoning), you would (temporarily) disarm anyone who told you they were armed. Which of these weapons would you take until the stop was completed.

                          If not all of them, why would you let him keep some?

                          Just askin.............
                          If he was stopped where I patrol?"...and WHY are coming into the Airport with all that???" hahahaha!! Depends on where you are,Trooper( so stop giving the "can't win" questions) where I am, sadly, all the items would probably be confiscated and booked, with the driver being BOOKED for CA. penal code section 12025 /12031 PC for the .357 in the waistband( unless he was retired PD, or had one of the few legit CCW licenses) and probably 12020 PC for the dynamite, unless he had a legit transport and possession permit. The rifle and shotgun alone do not meet the criteria for confiscation or even an arrest unless they are loaded, the 6" fixed bladed weapon( a hunting knife) would have to be concealed on his person to justify a confiscation/arrest.

                          Here in Ca. he'd probably get in trouble on the "beaver pond" issues by DFG ,SPCA, or local Animal reg if he injured some of the beavers( hhmmm? do we even HAVE beavers left in Calif? we kiiled off most wildlife, EXCEPT the "crips and cholos")

                          Even where I work, I don't feel "comfortable" for disarming people simply because they have weapons in their vehicles-especially when they are unloaded and in many cases where the citizens is transporting via airline, or simply dropping another person off- you have to have intent,coupled with ability, for a crime( had a Sgt once who wanted to book a guy simply because he had a M-1 carbine -UNLOADED, and a a AK variant - also unloaded - in the bed of his truck. The Sgt touted the "assualt weapons violation" ( an M-1 carbine ISN'T an assualt weapon, and the AK didn't have a flash suppressor,pistol grip, or anything illegal on it ,to justify arrest or confiscation).................
                          Last edited by DOAcop38; 03-19-2011, 05:20 PM.
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                          • #14
                            That's a traditional loadout back where I'm from. Except I've never had the dynomite. Dad handled that on the farm. You just never knew when you'd be driving down the road and see a woodchuck, car struck deer, or feral dog that needed to be shot.

                            Many a time I had that, short of the handgun, in my truck the junior and senior years of high school; right in the school parking lot. And, get this, I never killed anyone!
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                            • #15
                              I'm not sure about the dynamite -- as pointed out above, it might require special packaging/labeling -- but all the rest of those are perfectly legal here whether as tools or for self-defense. Except for the dynamite, that could describe a lot of the vehicles in Alaska during hunting seasons.

                              If I were the officer, I might (depending upon where the needle of my maggot-meter was pointing) take custody of the .357 and direct him to remain outside the vehicle until we were done. Alternatively, I might say, "Sir, please remain in your vehicle with the doors closed until I come back. If you open a door, I will get reeeeeaaaaally nervous...and neither of us wants that."
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