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    Kyle Lamb of Viking Tactics conducted a two day Carbine 1.5 class on May 24-25, 2008 in Linden, NC. The VTAC Carbine 1.5 class is not an introductory course and is designed to take the basic shooter to the next level. Kyle Lamb, who is the primary instructor for Viking Tactics, has an extensive background in military special operations and brings a wealth of combat experience to the table. Kyle has a very low key style of teaching which I enjoyed.

    The class of 14 students met at the range at 8:00 a.m. on the first day. The class consisted of 1 Army Special Forces Soldier, 2 FBI agents, 1 private contractor, 2 North Carolina LEO’s, 1 fireman and the rest of the class consisted of civilians.

    Kyle started the class by introducing himself and allowing the students to do the same. After introductions we had a semi-formal class on ballistics and safety. After completing the ballistics class we moved into weapons zeroing. Once the zeroing was completed we started several drills that began at the hundred and worked forward to the target. These drills focused on accuracy and distance. After completing several runs of these accuracy and distance drills we moved closer to the targets to get more work on accuracy and speed. These drills consisted of single and multiple target engagements.

    During the multiple target engagement drills malfunctions started occurring at an alarming rate. The malfunctions were caused by different problems, from not enough lube, bad remanufactured ammo (which plagued the shooter for the entire class), bad/aged extractors, a broken extractor spring, 2 broken firing pin retaining pins, bad magazines and Wolf Ammo. These issues plagued shooters over the two days until the last drills of the second day. I have attended several carbine classes over the years and I have never seen so many malfunctions in one class. The malfunctions became so rampant that Kyle moved straight into the malfunctions portion of the class a lot earlier than he wanted to. This consisted of setting up malfunctions so the class could see the malfunction and then Kyle would demonstrate to the class on how to clear the malfunction. Afterwards, with our weapons lying on the firing line in groups of three, he set up a different malfunction in each weapon. A shooter would have to run to the firing line, attempt to fire the weapon, clear the malfunction and then fire the weapon.

    On the second day we mainly shot from the 100 yard line. While at the 100 yard line we worked on different and unconventional shooting positions. Also we worked around barricades at the 100 yard line. As you can see in the photos, the barricades that Kyle uses make you get into very different and contorted positions. I liked this part of the class because it pushed the shooter to make the shots while in some uncomfortable and awkward positions.

    Weather: It rained on and off Saturday morning. At times the rain was pretty heavy; however, we did not slow up due to the weather. The weather was beautiful after lunch on Saturday after the rain and clouds broke.

    Equipment:

    For this class I ran a S&W M&P15 that had been converted to an “A” model. Thanks goes out to Steve Lowitz and Bryan James of S&W for their help at the last minute with a few things. My optic was an Aimpoint M4S on a LaRue mount. I also have a Surefire Forend light on this rifle. I ran a made in the USA VTAC Sling. I own four of these now that are on four different rifles. I really like it and I learned how to use it to its full potential. For lube I used SLIP 200 EWL which I might add is good stuff. I put about 1200 rounds or so down range without a single malfunction. For my secondary weapon I used a G17 with Heinie Slant Pro 3D Night Sights. I used mostly PMAGS with some aluminum mags as well. My ammo was Federal American Eagle 55 grain FMJ.

    I used a molle belt to bring mags, dump pouch and secondary weapon to the line. We were only asked to bring four full mags to the line at a time. I had over 25 mags already loaded at the beginning of each day so I was good to go until lunch. This allowed me to socialize with other shooters and watch the other relay so I could learn something from them as well.

    Again I really enjoyed Kyle’s teaching style, as he is a no nonsense type of guy. During this class he pushed us to make fast accurate shots which pushed most shooters out of their comfort zones.

    If you have never trained with VTAC then what are you waiting for? If you ever have the opportunity to train with Kyle I would highly recommend it. Overall, I really enjoyed this class and I will be attending more VTAC classes as funding, scheduling and my wife allows.

    Some pictures from the class.

    A picture of one of three major problems a shooter had with a bad lot of remanufactured ammo.


    A picture of another problem, after it was removed from the chamber, the same shooter had with the same bad lot of ammo.


    Kyle explaining th proper grip on a mag when reloading.


    The other Jeff getting some under the watchful eye of Kyle. Notice the blast from the Surefire Muzzle Brake.


    One of several bad dudes in the class working the rifle.


    Another bad dude working to clear a rifle during the malfunction drills Kyle setup.


    Shooting during lateral movement.


    Jack trying to clear a rifle during a malfunction drill. Thanks Jack for setting up this class. Also from what Kyle left you in that rifle I can see he was showing you some love.


    Kyle demonstrating how to use the mag to clear a malfunction if you only have one hand to use.
    Last edited by GLOCKMASTER; 05-30-2008, 09:12 PM.
    "Life's goal should not be to show up at your final resting spot in a well rested, well preserved body ready to pass on.... But rather sliding in side ways late for your own passing, tired, beaten down and yelling holy $hit what a ride!!!!!"

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    Kyle demonstrating shooting laterally on the move.


    A very good and hard shooter working the target line with lateral movement.


    A very hard shooter that drives a very nice ride starting the Zig-Zag drill.




    Working the rifle from strong side to support wide in the stretch kneeling.




    Me working around the barricades.

    Last edited by GLOCKMASTER; 05-30-2008, 07:06 PM.
    "Life's goal should not be to show up at your final resting spot in a well rested, well preserved body ready to pass on.... But rather sliding in side ways late for your own passing, tired, beaten down and yelling holy $hit what a ride!!!!!"

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    • #3
      My rifle




      During the class two firing pin retaining pins broke. Here is a pic of one. This same rifle also had a extractor spring to break a short time later.




      Here is a pic of a spring that broke in the lower and a pic of the lower that it happened in.


      Last edited by GLOCKMASTER; 05-31-2008, 07:02 AM.
      "Life's goal should not be to show up at your final resting spot in a well rested, well preserved body ready to pass on.... But rather sliding in side ways late for your own passing, tired, beaten down and yelling holy $hit what a ride!!!!!"

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      • #4
        Looked like a great class, I wish I was there with you guys!!!!!!!
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        • #5
          GREAT review. THANKS for sharing!

          I am surprised by all the parts breakage, but that just goes along with what I tell people. If you run an AR-15, bring spare parts and a spare gun!

          I love the rifle, but it is prone to small parts breakage due to the design (lots of heat gets vented into the guts, where all the itsy bitsy parts are.)

          I have a spare spring kit, spare FCG, and a spare bolt in my bail-out kit. When I go to classes like this, I ALWAYS bring a spare rifle (and have used it more than once!)
          J. Wise

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          • #6
            So was this the M&P you are T&Eing? Is this the new one with the updated features? Are you gonna get me the pics for my thread or what?
            J. Wise

            AR-15 - AK-47 - NFA Trusts - My Pick - Carry Guns - 1911s

            "Some say you can tell how the world stands by the prices of AK-47s...." Chit2001

            Any comments contained herein regarding the legality of firearms, or the application of law, are strictly applicable to Texas. If you live in CA, NY, IL, MA, D.C., etc., the above comments will probably shock you, and should be read for educational purposes only. Most likely nothing I write will apply to you.

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            • #7
              Damn, that's a lot of bad ammo and bad rifles.

              That's why I'm always scared to fire on a range with anyone but myself


              Good AAR! Thanks for sharing! Some classes from VT are on my list.
              “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

              "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jwise View Post
                So was this the M&P you are T&Eing? Is this the new one with the updated features? Are you gonna get me the pics for my thread or what?
                Yes it was the rifle that was given to me by S&W and it has the updated features.

                As for the second part check your PM's.
                "Life's goal should not be to show up at your final resting spot in a well rested, well preserved body ready to pass on.... But rather sliding in side ways late for your own passing, tired, beaten down and yelling holy $hit what a ride!!!!!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SORT2000 View Post
                  Looked like a great class, I wish I was there with you guys!!!!!!!
                  Dino I wish you could have been there.

                  I talked with Kyle and I'm going to try to get him to do his street fighter and night fighter class in the early part of 2009 so stay tuned.
                  "Life's goal should not be to show up at your final resting spot in a well rested, well preserved body ready to pass on.... But rather sliding in side ways late for your own passing, tired, beaten down and yelling holy $hit what a ride!!!!!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by justhomp View Post
                    Damn, that's a lot of bad ammo and bad rifles.

                    That's why I'm always scared to fire on a range with anyone but myself


                    Good AAR! Thanks for sharing! Some classes from VT are on my list.
                    The malfunctions were bad. I have never seen so many in one class. Some of it was some of the rifles needed some preventative maintenance due to their round count plus the ammo they were using. Others just had some cheap parts kits in them. Take a look at the lower in the picture and look at the seam in the bolt release. That is a clue.
                    "Life's goal should not be to show up at your final resting spot in a well rested, well preserved body ready to pass on.... But rather sliding in side ways late for your own passing, tired, beaten down and yelling holy $hit what a ride!!!!!"

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                    • #11
                      Not to sound bias, but were most of the malfunctions from the civilian rifles?

                      As far as the pic, I see exactly what you mean, anything to save a buck I suppose...
                      “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

                      "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by justhomp View Post
                        Not to sound bias, but were most of the malfunctions from the civilian rifles?
                        Mostly. The two FBI guys had issues. I have spoken to them since and after talking to the folks at Quantico, they have figured it out. The deputy had some feeding issues. I think it was lube and ammo related.

                        The one rifle with the broken FPRP and extractor spring was being used by the SF soldier. He borrowed that rifle from a friend and it was not an issued rifle. He said he had been told it had about 5000 rounds through it. His EoTech shut off on him during a timed drill. To his credit he quickly transitioned to his irons and finished.
                        "Life's goal should not be to show up at your final resting spot in a well rested, well preserved body ready to pass on.... But rather sliding in side ways late for your own passing, tired, beaten down and yelling holy $hit what a ride!!!!!"

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