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  • Has anybody seen this? The People's Republic of California Strikes again...

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...20070911c.html

    Gun Control Bill Heads to California Governor
    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor
    September 11, 2007

    (CNSNews.com) - A gun control group is praising the California Legislature for passing a "microstamping" bill. Supporters say it will help police trace guns used in crimes. But Second Amendment supporters call it back-door gun control, and they are urging Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to veto it.

    Microstamping would give police an "important new tool in solving gun crimes," the Brady Campaign said in a news release. But the National Shooting Sports Foundation has called the bill a de facto ban of firearms" that would price guns out of the California market.

    The Crime Gun Identification Act (AB 1471) would require all new models of semiautomatic pistols sold in California after 2010 to be microstamped, or microscopically engraved, with their make, model and identification number.

    Theoretically, the microstamping would be transferred onto the cartridge casing when the handgun is fired, allowing police to match bullet casings found at crime scenes with the gun that fired the bullet.

    Critics say the technology is vulnerable to tampering -- the laser engraving can be scratched and altered. And even if the technology does work, it won't prevent criminals from using the stamped guns, critics argue.

    The Golden State 2nd Amendment Council noted that "crime scenes could easily be contaminated by a criminal throwing down a handful of shell casings he picked up from the local gun range."

    Law-abiding citizens could have their weapons confiscated - and they might be arrested -- unless they could prove they were nowhere near the crime scene,
    the group said in a letter to California lawmakers.

    But gun control advocates call the bill's passage a "major victory" for California police officers.

    "This proven technology will help law enforcement apprehend armed gang members and criminals before they inflict more harm on others, including innocent bystanders," said Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke. "Giving police tools like this is the common-sense thing to do."

    Kay Holmen, the president of the California Brady Campaign Chapters, said with nearly half of all crimes going unsolved in California, "microstamping technology will provide our police officers with solid leads to put armed criminals behind bars."

    But Second Amendment supporters say the bill is back-door gun control: "Firearm manufacturers have indicated that passage of microstamping legislation would force them to stop sales in California because they would have to completely reconfigure their manufacturing and assembly process," the National Shooting Sports Foundation said.

    "Compelling the use of this unreliable, sole-sourced technology will dramatically reduce the product selection available to law-abiding consumers in California," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel.

    "Many manufacturers will choose to abandon the California market rather than incur substantial costs associated with complying with microstamping legislation, he added.


    Moreover, Second Amendment supporters point to several studies showing that microstamping technology is unreliable - not proven to work as advertised.

    Gov. Schwarzenegger has not said if he'll sign the bill. A similar bill (AB 352) failed in the California Legislature last year.

    This actually passed. WTF?? One more reason to leave this Godforsaken state......
    Last edited by SoCalSheriff; 10-16-2007, 07:11 PM.
    Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
    --Winston Churchill--

    "Si vis pacem, para bellum"

  • #2
    Uhh yeah, I think it may have come up a few days ago....

    http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75188

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    • #3
      Thank you for pointing that out. I must have missed it.
      Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
      --Winston Churchill--

      "Si vis pacem, para bellum"

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      • #4
        CA legislative game plan

        Step 1) Only "Safe" guns are legal to sell in CA.
        Step 2) Semi-autos w/o microstamping are "unsafe"
        Step 3) Revolvers don't eject casings at crimescenes, so they're "unsafe" too.
        Step 4) Any gun previous purcased and owned in CA which is a semi-auto or a revolver is now "unsafe" and must be surrendered!

        Note: The California Legislature is not banning guns, only unsafe guns.
        "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken."

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        • #5
          Ummmm.......looks like time for the smart people to move out, but leave the *******s there when you go.
          the only true rehabilitation starts with a needle............

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          • #6
            One of the happiest days of my life was seeing "Welcome to California".....in my rear view mirror!
            "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
            John Stuart Mill

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            • #7
              It's actually kind of interesting in a "train wreck" kind of way.

              Any 2nd Amendment Rights advocate knows that Kali is the most un-gun friendly state in the union. Thus no one who values thier 2nd Amendment Rights would voluntarily move there. So that leaves the majority uninterested in the right to keep and bear arms. So crap like this passes.

              Actually this may be a good thing for the rest of us. Once the violent criminals figure out that most Californians have no way to protect themselves they will head that way and leave the rest of us in "free states" with a lower crime rate!
              "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell
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              • #8
                Originally posted by SoCalSheriff View Post
                http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...20070911c.html

                The Golden State 2nd Amendment Council noted that "crime scenes could easily be contaminated by a criminal throwing down a handful of shell casings he picked up from the local gun range."

                Law-abiding citizens could have their weapons confiscated - and they might be arrested -- unless they could prove they were nowhere near the crime scene, the group said in a letter to California lawmakers.

                This actually passed. WTF?? One more reason to leave this Godforsaken state......
                1) 99% of perps arent that smart
                2) what stops them from doing that right now with present-day "unmarked" casings?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 07-53 View Post
                  1) 99% of perps arent that smart
                  2) what stops them from doing that right now with present-day "unmarked" casings?
                  Ok how about 3) criminals are going to run out and buy new pistols with the microstamp 4) People that have their guns stolen are going to be victimized twice, once by the perp then a second time by the state.

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                  • #10
                    The stupid thing is that microstamping isn't even feasible at this point. It's technologically not possible.

                    This bill is a de-facto semi-auto handgun ban.

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                    • #11
                      What is lost on the Kali politicians, is that no matter what dirtbags will find a way. All their laws do is prevent LAW ABIDING people from owning guns.

                      I still belive one of these days California is going to succeed from the Union. Then they will be able to write their own bill of rights, smoke all the dope and ban all the guns they want, and I will celebrate.
                      "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell
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                      • #12
                        Hopefully the gun companies will finally have enough and pull out of that sorry state. I think Ronnie Barrett had the right idea. Since the .50 cal ban in CA, he refuses to support or service any of his products in that state, including those owned by LE organizations.

                        It's an extreme solution, but I suspect if everyone adopted this approach, things would change there from necessity.
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                        • #13
                          Actually, Barrett is driving them crazy by evading the ban. When they banned the .50, he came up with another caliber (.416?).

                          When will the PRC figure out: IT'S THE CRIMINALS, STUPID!
                          "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
                          John Stuart Mill

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 07-53 View Post
                            1) 99% of perps arent that smart
                            2) what stops them from doing that right now with present-day "unmarked" casings?
                            2) Because you can't trace a gun by its casing unless you already have the gun that recently fired it.
                            The liberal politician has the only job where they go to the office to work for everyone but those who pay their salary.

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