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    I’m getting rifle certified with my department. Rifles are privately purchased and policy pretty much makes all the popular manufactures an option to choose from. Just looking to get more opinions and advice from other LEO’s on which manufacturers and models I should look at. Any help is much appreciated.

  • #2
    Just so you understand that when you use it, it’s gone for years. Buy two.
    Now go home and get your shine box!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
      Just so you understand that when you use it, it’s gone for years. Buy two.
      Yup. And this is why I wouldn’t recommend you blow your money on something uber tacticool.

      Our guys are issued Colt and Rock River Arms. Both work well. I actually prefer the Rock River.

      I owned a Remington (essentially a Bushmaster) and would have no concerns carrying it on duty.
      I make my living on Irish welfare.

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      • JaredO
        JaredO commented
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        Agreed. I just want something reliable and not super expensive. I have heard good things from Rock River. Is there a particular model that you like?

      • reils49
        reils49 commented
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        You can’t go wrong with their Entry Tactical model. BUIS, optic and a light and your good to go.

    • #4
      Buy something that will go bang when you need it too and put a decent optic on it. You accomplish that by staying under 1k. As mentioned earlier, depending on the situation, once you use it, plan on never seeing it again.

      Having a rifle while you are one of the first on scene is heaven-sent. There have been no less than 10 times in the past year or two I wasnt thankful that I had my rifle with me when ***** hit the fan.
      Last edited by scotty_appleton814; 10-13-2018, 05:51 PM. Reason: I can't spell without autocorrect

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      • #5
        Palmetto State Armory makes good equipment at a good price. My patrol rifle is by them. I only added the optic, light and flip up rear sight.

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        • #6
          Can you carry a M1A?

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          • #7
            FN-FAL. Paratrooper stock. Or a Galil.
            Now go home and get your shine box!

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            • #8
              Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
              FN-FAL. Paratrooper stock. Or a Galil.
              I would so carry a FN-FAL if it was authorized. I couldn't even carry my Sig 556 Swat because I was told that it did not look like an "AR" variant. I was told citizens dont want to see their officers carrying AK's in the street. But I confess I am biased toward piston operated rifles.

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              • #9
                After numerous years on a regional multi-jurisdictional SWAT team, I personally seen most models used. For patrol you can't go wrong with above info. You do not need to go ultra expensive crazy, but with that said, LWRC is one of the more desired manufacturers, albeit pricey. Sig's rifles had held up very well and are reasonably priced. However, some our guys run Colt, Bushmaster, our snipers running Rock River Arms. I have not seen anything on them break, and we climb ladders, in and out of armor, unfortunately banging them off things, etc.

                To keep it reasonable I would personally go a little higher on quality than Remington/Bushmaster and would look at a SIG piston gun myself, although if money were not an issue, LWRC and HK are pretty sweet.

                I edited the post, forgot another performer our guys use, Daniel Defense. These things hold up remarkably well, and cleary worthy of a look as well.
                Last edited by Beentheredonethat!; 10-15-2018, 02:26 PM.

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                • scotty_appleton814
                  scotty_appleton814 commented
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                  NIce to see another piston fan here. I carry the Sig 516!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

              • #10
                FN rifles are among the best in the industry. Their ARs are very high quality Grade 1 components due to them having current military contracts. They also have exceptional LE pricing.
                BCM, Daniel Defense, LMT, Sons of Liberty Gunworks, Sionics and top end piston guns like HK and LWRC will all be guaranteed to work in the most adverse conditions.
                "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
                -John Adams


                Disclaimer: My statements are personal opinions, and in no way reflect those of my agency.

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                • #11
                  My department has pool rifles, which are fine. I carry my personal Sig MCX though and could not recommend it more highly than I do. I love it.

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                  • scotty_appleton814
                    scotty_appleton814 commented
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                    Does your rifle have a full quad rail? If not, does it have that stupid proprietary Sig handrail system only compatible with Sig or other high priced rails in bed with Sig. I carry a Sig 516 and thats my only complaint is that the rail is not full length and I have only found one replacement and it's not quad, only top. I at least need a top and bottom. Thanks a bunch.

                  • Reedo
                    Reedo commented
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                    The MCX handguard has either keymod or MLOK holes, and is proprietary. Midwest Industries makes an aftermarket handguard for it.
                    We issue the MCX to some officers, and those have the keymod attachments.

                • #12
                  For a patrol rifle, you don't need anything fancy. Keep it simple and go with something "tried and true". I've been involved with some aspect of firearms for over 20 years now. I am also a FFL and Licensed Gunsmith.

                  Trust me, I understand the "want and need" to have the "best possible equipment" (and all the various justifications guys/gals use for buying said equipment). You don't need to have the newest (insert awesome feature here) on your rifle to be "the best", or "effective". I unfortunately see a lot of people go out and spend $1000-2000 on a rifle and its accessories, only for it to end up on my work bench shortly after. I'm definitely not implying to cheap out on equipment, just do some research first.

                  That being said, your money is your money, and you can spend it how you wish. Ultimately, the most important thing is functionality, followed next by your overall budget. You can't go wrong with a something like a Colt 6920. Put a decent optic on (probably flashlight too for a patrol rifle) , and you're in business. The S&W M&P series, and the Sig M400 series are also very good options (all direct gas impingement guns). Just remember, piston driven=generally more expensive to fix and proprietary parts.

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                  • #13
                    If you all had the choice between FN and RRA, which would you go with?

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by JaredO View Post
                      If you all had the choice between FN and RRA, which would you go with?
                      I don't have enough experience with the FN ARs/m4s to really comment with any sort of empirical (or even opinionated) validity. RRA's are decent. The AR/M4 market is always evolving. You hear of something supposedly "new and mind blowing" way too often now a days. Colt6920 will be my "go to standard" probably until the day I die. Are there better rifles out there, yeah. Are there cheaper rifles, yeah. Overall though, Colt is tried and true, and has adapted that platform to modern day receiver attachment platforms. Not to mention their customer service is legendary (especially for LE/MIL).

                      THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of it though, is how YOU plan on using the rifle. What distances are you planning on shooting? Are you going to be patrolling on the streets and possibly dealing with barricaded subjects in close quarters, or is it only something used at distance....(you get the picture). There's A LOT of factors that go into what an individual is going to use their rifle for. Perhaps narrow that down first. While your department may not supply rifles to patrol officers, look into big departments and what they issue. There's usually a reason why rifle manufacturer's are chosen (outside of the obvious cost).

                      Feel free to PM me if you have any more/specific questions. I don't have notifications on for post replies, but I do get an Email when I get a PM, so i'll be able to respond quicker than 7 days lol.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by JaredO View Post
                        If you all had the choice between FN and RRA, which would you go with?
                        Both make quality weapon systems and I have used them both over the years. I would have no issues carrying either one.
                        I make my living on Irish welfare.

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