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  • FYI tannerite is apparently now illegal in CA

    http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/seb13-0818.asp


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    On Sunday, August 18, 2013, around 11:00 AM, a firefighters from Cal Fire heard explosions very close to them as they were extinguishing a small brush fire in a remote area near El Toro Road, Lake Elsinore. The firefighters contacted several people who were shooting exploding targets and subsequently notified the Riverside Sheriff's Department. The Hazardous Device Team responded and conducted an investigation due to the presence of illegal explosives.

    One person was found to be in possession of several exploding targets. These items typically consist of at least two parts, and they become a sensitive and dangerous explosive when mixed. Exploding targets are illegal to possess in California before they are mixed, as well as after the components are mixed together.

    Jeremy Ingram, 38 years old, of Menifee, was arrested and booked into Southwest Detention Center for possession of bomb making components (18720 PC), and possession of a destructive device (18710(a) PC), both charges are felonies.

    The public is encouraged to avoid purchasing, handling, or using exploding targets. For questions about exploding targets, the public can contact the Hazardous Device Team at (951) 955-1700.

  • #2
    Looks like RDO is getting 'creative' with reading the CPC.....if the suspect isn't convicted of the charge(s) this will cost the taxpayers of Riverside a large chunk of $$$$
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    • #3
      I have always heard that it was a grey area at best, and to err on the side of not having it around, so I never messed with it. Guess we will find out how grey that area is now.

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      • #4
        Wow, felonies for a guy shooting at an object that was designed to be used as such. Good luck proving any sort of intent to use this "bomb making materia"l for anything nefarious. I bet they seized his guns for good measure as well.

        And we wonder why respect for law enforcement sucks...

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        • #5
          I've shot at those targets. They're a lot of fun and a great way to get immediate feedback that you've hit what you're shooting at.
          Getting shot hurts. Don't under estimate the power of live ammo. A .22LR can kill you. My personal thoughts is to avoid being shot by any caliber.

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          • #6
            Easy fix. Just buy instant cold packs and some Al powder from a paint store. Then you are shooting cold packs and not Tannerite Same friggin thing. Lets worry about something that is not a problem and ignore the crap that is out there.
            Ut humiliter opinor

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            • #7
              Here's the problem with tannerite and possessing it in CA. From a legal standpoint, it is NOT illegal to possess the binary parts. It is also not illegal to combine them for your targets. However, many many people have been arrested for the exact same thing these guys were arrested for. People have also been arested for just having the separate components, with it being called constructive possession of a DD. I don't know how many have been convicted, but I'm sure it's probably happened.

              Originally posted by ddurkof View Post
              Easy fix. Just buy instant cold packs and some Al powder from a paint store. Then you are shooting cold packs and not Tannerite Same friggin thing. Lets worry about something that is not a problem and ignore the crap that is out there.
              The problem with that is you get the same charge. If a person can be arrested under a DD charge for putting dry ice in a 2 liter bottle with water, they could certainly get charged for the ice pack trick. If it goes boom it's a DD.
              Last edited by JustAJ; 08-20-2013, 08:08 AM.

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              • #8
                Tannerite is providing legal counsel for Mr. Ingram.

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                • #9
                  I hope a good lawyer will make this disappear and go further with it.

                  Can't stand made up bs charges just to 'arrest' the guy. big pet peeve of mine when enforced by supervisors.

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                  • #10
                    Very happy to hear that Tannerite is providing him legal support!

                    However despite my strong believe in the 2nd Amendment I have to say that I cannot understand why Tannerite would be any more legal than other explosives:
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DK_pw2tq2Q

                    I mean those guys in the middle east are going to all that trouble making IEDs, but here in the US you can just order your explosives online

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                    • #11
                      Take an improvised explosives course designed for emergency responders and you can buy all you need at WalMart to make explosives, each component by it'self is not regulated, and if mixed can not be transported and must be used on site, in quantities limited by local and federal regulations.

                      In that video you posted of the car. Could you go buy a 20lb propane tank designed for BBQ grill. Put it in a car with the windows up, open the valve wait for the car to fill with propane, and then ignite. Should propane be regulated as an expolsive? What would a 55 gallon barrel of gasoline due to a car?

                      Should we regulate ownership of items, or should be regulate the improper use of such items?
                      Last edited by David Hineline; 08-21-2013, 08:55 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
                        However despite my strong believe in the 2nd Amendment I have to say that I cannot understand why Tannerite would be any more legal than other explosives:
                        Should we outlaw chemistry? There are any number of various everyday items that, when combined, tend to go boom, either immediately or with a little help. Making a thingillegal/unavailable only causes a person intent on doing harm to use another thing that has the same effect. Despite OK City, I can still go buy the same exact ingredients TM used, because it's all about intent, which cannot be regulated.

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                        • #13
                          All of the items you guys are referring to have their own useful purpose. Tannerite is nothing more than an explosive. It is essentially worthless for anything except creating explosions. Devil's Advocate: based on your logic, why should we regulate ownership of dynamite, plastic explosives, and water gel explosives if using them improperly is already illegal? Answer: it is about prevention. Yes it is illegal to use explosives maliciously but by the time Law Enforcement catches on it might be too late...sure they can imprison people and even give them the death penalty but that doesn't help the bombing victims much. Regulating the ownership of the explosives makes them harder to obtain and easier to track.
                          Last edited by Fëanor; 08-22-2013, 08:48 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fëanor View Post
                            All of the items you guys are referring to have their own useful purpose. Tannerite is nothing more than an explosive. It is essentially worthless for anything except creating explosions. Devil's Advocate: based on your logic, why should we regulate ownership of dynamite, plastic explosives, and water gel explosives if using them improperly is already illegal? Answer: it is about prevention. Yes it is illegal to use explosives maliciously but by the time Law Enforcement catches on it might be too late...sure they can imprison people and even give them the death penalty but that doesn't help the bombing victims much. Regulating the ownership of the explosives makes them harder to obtain and easier to track.
                            According to a proper interpretation of the 2nd amendment, civilians should have access to those materials. If a maniac is trying to kill people, they could just drive a truck into a crowd, or contaminate an air\water inlet. Thankfully, the people who are stupid enough to be convinced\convince themselves that needlessly hurting others is a good idea are usually fairly dumb.

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                            • #15
                              I was within earshot of the handling DDA on a previous Tannerite case when he / she was dealing with the defendant's attorney and I was perplexed at his / her attitude about using it for targets. He / she said the HDT guys (bomb squad) were adamant about pushing the filing through. I'm a little out of my lane in regards to Tannerite, but I didn't see the big deal.
                              Last edited by 1tyme; 08-22-2013, 11:48 AM. Reason: Spelling
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