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    Initially I was going to get a rifle after having some fun and falling in love with an AK-47...but I am going to get a handgun instead. I need to practice and become proficient for the academy, which rifles will not prepare me for since they are easier to shoot.

    What caliber does your agency use? Also if I get a .45 and become proficient with it, if I have to qualify with a 9mm or a .40 in the academy would it be easier?

    Looking into a Glock 17 or Glock 22....this will be a range gun only. I am 16 and can't get my CCW for another year and a half so no need to get something small like a Glock 27. Also stating the obvious here but yes this gun will be my dad's, not mine.

    Thanks.

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    Originally posted by Indy View Post
    Initially I was going to get a rifle after having some fun and falling in love with an AK-47...but I am going to get a handgun instead. I need to practice and become proficient for the academy, which rifles will not prepare me for since they are easier to shoot.

    What caliber does your agency use? Also if I get a .45 and become proficient with it, if I have to qualify with a 9mm or a .40 in the academy would it be easier?

    Looking into a Glock 17 or Glock 22....this will be a range gun only. I am 16 and can't get my CCW for another year and a half so no need to get something small like a Glock 27. Also stating the obvious here but yes this gun will be my dad's, not mine.

    Thanks.
    You need to focus on staying out of trouble and getting hired first. If you make it to the academy, you'll be taught how to shoot whatever weapon they assign you (unless you're required to bring your own, then you'll be taught how to shoot that one.)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sgt. Slaughter View Post
      You need to focus on staying out of trouble and getting hired first. If you make it to the academy, you'll be taught how to shoot whatever weapon they assign you (unless you're required to bring your own, then you'll be taught how to shoot that one.)
      I understand that and I am. Just want something to have at the range, and since my dad wants to buy a new gun and is giving me the choice I thought why not get a good one to practice with.

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      • #4
        If it's only for the range and to learn on, get a .22.
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        • #5
          Glock 17 or 19.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sgt. Slaughter View Post
            If it's only for the range and to learn on, get a .22.
            My dad has made it clear that he wants something bigger than a .22...9mm or bigger only. Thanks for the replies sarge!

            Originally posted by MinnesnowtaWild View Post
            Glock 17 or 19.
            Thanks, leaning more towards the G17 than anything else.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Indy View Post
              My dad has made it clear that he wants something bigger than a .22...9mm or bigger only.
              Should've said that to begin with. In that case, the G17.
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              Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

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              • #8
                Why are you set on glock? Have you guys shot one? Shot anything comparable? What's your budget?

                First, you two should go to the range and rent a variety of handguns.

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                • #9
                  As mentioned, Glock 19 or G17.
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                  • #10
                    Glock holds a majority of the nation's law enforcement contracts; like it or not. My agency issues them... unless you'd rather provide your own 40SW or 45ACP (or 9mm for plainclothes) that is approved.

                    I carry the XDM 40 3.8 compact. You really can't go wrong with a Glock though. They are good, sturdy, durable weapons that go bang every time and are nearly cop-proof. They run and run. They're just not for some people though. Like me.
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                    • #11
                      I recommend a G17. A S&W M&P 9mm if you feel the need to be different, or appreciate the difference. You could reverse my answer, reverse popularity, and do just as well. Yes, the pistols offered by both entities are very popular in law enforcement circles; no, they are not nearly as popular in competitive shooting circles. But what do they know? ;-)
                      Last edited by Erik; 04-16-2012, 12:00 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Indy,

                        Get whatever gun fits your hand and whichever caliber you like the most. A 9, 40, and 45 all recoil differently. A .45 does not necessarily have more kick because it's bigger. Just simply learning to shoot SOMETHING is all you need to get a base of skill. Also, if you like Glock, get one, but if it doesn't feel comfortable, don't feel like you NEED to burden yourself with it just because so many departments carry it.

                        This all is what an officer told me back when I was first applying and before I had bought my first handgun. I got a lot of "Get a Glock. It's the only perfect gun in the world," from people, but it didn't fit my hand comfortably. So I got a 1911 and later, a Sig 229. I have a 60% chance of carrying a Glock wherever I get hired, but when I go to the range, I want to shoot something that I really like.
                        Last edited by GangGreen712; 04-16-2012, 08:52 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sgt. Slaughter View Post
                          Should've said that to begin with. In that case, the G17.
                          You're right I should have..my apologies. Thanks for the suggestion.

                          Originally posted by jannino View Post
                          Why are you set on glock? Have you guys shot one? Shot anything comparable? What's your budget?

                          First, you two should go to the range and rent a variety of handguns.
                          Glock is the most popular choice, and for a reason. Budget maxes at $800. Though a good Glock will come around $500-$600.

                          Originally posted by Surf View Post
                          As mentioned, Glock 19 or G17.
                          Thanks for the suggestions.

                          Originally posted by KenW. View Post
                          Glock holds a majority of the nation's law enforcement contracts; like it or not. My agency issues them... unless you'd rather provide your own 40SW or 45ACP (or 9mm for plainclothes) that is approved.

                          I carry the XDM 40 3.8 compact. You really can't go wrong with a Glock though. They are good, sturdy, durable weapons that go bang every time and are nearly cop-proof. They run and run. They're just not for some people though. Like me.
                          Okay I'll go rent a Glock before I buy, make sure its what I want.

                          Originally posted by Erik View Post
                          I recommend a G17. A S&W M&P 9mm if you feel the need to be different, or appreciate the difference. You could reverse my answer, reverse popularity, and do just as well. Yes, the pistols offered by both entities are very popular in law enforcement circles; no, they are not nearly as popular in competitive shooting circles. But what do they know? ;-)
                          Thanks Erik!

                          Originally posted by Lawdawg45
                          Given that Glock has over 60% of the LE market, that would be a safe choice, and most every agency I know of in central Indiana uses the .40. The large agencies here will provide you a weapon, so you could buy the subcompact and use it for a BUG or off duty, if you're hired.

                          LD
                          Thanks, replied to your pm.....

                          Originally posted by GangGreen712 View Post
                          Indy,

                          Get whatever gun fits your hand and whichever caliber you like the most. A 9, 40, and 45 all recoil differently. A .45 does not necessarily have more kick because it's bigger. Just simply learning to shoot SOMETHING is all you need to get a base of skill. Also, if you like Glock, get one, but if it doesn't feel comfortable, don't feel like you NEED to burden yourself with it just because so many departments carry it.

                          This all is what an officer told me back when I was first applying and before I had bought my first handgun. I got a lot of "Get a Glock. It's the only perfect gun in the world," from people, but it didn't fit my hand comfortably. So I got a 1911 and later, a Sig 229. I have a 60% chance of carrying a Glock wherever I get hired, but when I go to the range, I want to shoot something that I really like.
                          Okay thank you for the advice!

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                          • #14
                            Get a Glock 17, and a .22 conversion for it. 9mm is cheaper to shoot so you will shoot more of it. The .22 conversion will allow you to shoot even more on the same platform. Get some GOOD instruction and then practice, practice practice.

                            Happy shooting.
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                            • #15
                              I see a lot of threads like this, and people say, "the academy will teach you how to shoot so don't pick up any bad habits." Honestly, I don't think the academy did anything to teach shooting - at least not where/when I went. It really seemed like you got a quick lesson on stance, grip, sight alignment, and trigger pull which generally occurred without weapons and in a seated, classroom environment. The students then got to shoot until they qualified. Those of us that grew up with firearms, as a whole, had little to no trouble. I generally shoot around a 98% (sometimes better, sometimes worse) and can say I've had no hands on instruction in marksmanship over the years.

                              I think what was taught, by an employer later and not the academy, were other helpful skills such as holstering, retention, stop-action drills, reloading, moving, and firing from a variety of positions and in a variety of conditions.

                              In summary, I don't think shooting will hurt you. There are assumed best ways to run just as there are assumed best ways to shoot, but any kind of running will make you a better runner. Just my opinion - worth little to others but lots to me. Take it for what it's worth.

                              To answer your opening question, I prefer a .45 ACP round to actually carry and use as a weapon. When I'm off I carry a .40 S&W round because the gun is more concealable. For the novice, that just wants to shoot paper, cans, and mounds of menacing dirt I'd say get a 9mm. It's cheaper and sufficient for use.

                              Edit: The above mentioned academy is a state academy for nearly every LEO in Arkansas. It's not employer-specific, and policies and instruction are generic so that the brightest and best equipped officers alongside the dumbest, poorest officers can both survive and fill a position.
                              Last edited by ArkansasFan24; 04-16-2012, 10:03 PM.

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