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  • Common Handgun Caliber For Handgun And Long Weapon

    I am just wondering if your agency or any agency you are aware of uses the same caliber for their pistol and long weapons. It seems like around my area most agencies use a Glock or similar handgun in 9mm/.40S&W/.45ACP and then have an M4/AR15/M16 in .223/5.56mm. However, not all places do the same things, so lets here what departments are doing near you.

    Also, to take this a step further, are there ANY off the shelf choices if somebody wanted to have a pistol and long weapon use the same magazines? I know that there are some custom choices. I know it is possible to convert a Glock to a long weapon. By any chance is your agency doing this or considering this?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Jim1648 View Post
    I am just wondering if your agency or any agency you are aware of uses the same caliber for their pistol and long weapons. It seems like around my area most agencies use a Glock or similar handgun in 9mm/.40S&W/.45ACP and then have an M4/AR15/M16 in .223/5.56mm. However, not all places do the same things, so lets here what departments are doing near you.

    Also, to take this a step further, are there ANY off the shelf choices if somebody wanted to have a pistol and long weapon use the same magazines? I know that there are some custom choices. I know it is possible to convert a Glock to a long weapon. By any chance is your agency doing this or considering this?
    Why would you want to change a pistol into a long gun? The pistol is carried by officers because it's portable, and enables you to get to your long gun, or end the threat entirely. If you want a rifle, just buy one.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by USMARINE View Post
      Why would you want to change a pistol into a long gun? The pistol is carried by officers because it's portable, and enables you to get to your long gun, or end the threat entirely. If you want a rifle, just buy one.
      +1


      The function/application of a handgun (and it's associated cartridge) is totally and completely different than a long gun and it's cartridge.

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      • #4
        Like others have said, if you want a rifle carry a rifle round.

        But having said that these are the best pistol / pistol caliber carbine combos I know of, which are still in production.

        The Kel-tec Sub 2000 is compatable with:
        Beretta 92 & 96
        Sig 226 (9mm & .40S&W)
        Glock 17, 19, 22 & 23

        Beretta CX4 Storm is compatible with:
        Beretta 92
        PX4 storm pistols in 9mm & .40S&W
        Stoeger Cougar in .45acp

        There are other combinations out there but these two are still in production and are actually purpose built.
        Other options that are out of production or of questionable quality:
        Ruger PC-4 & PC-9 carbines utilized Ruger P-series magazines.(9mm & .40S&W)
        Marlin Camp Carbine, utilized 1911 and S&W 59 series magazines.
        Olympic Arms AR-conversion- Utilizes Glock magazines (9mm & .40S&W)
        High Point---------- Yeah lets not go there.
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        • #5
          I believe Taurus has a 9mm, 40S&W, and 45 ACP in a subgun platform. Looks alot like an HK USC copy. For some reason, it doesn't get too much attention online or in gun magazines???
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          • #6
            Originally posted by DCH View Post
            I believe Taurus has a 9mm, 40S&W, and 45 ACP in a subgun platform. Looks alot like an HK USC copy. For some reason, it doesn't get too much attention online or in gun magazines???
            I don't think those are imported. Every site I have seen them on was in Spanish.

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            • #7
              When I need a long gun, I want the power a long gun brings to the fight. I don't just want a less portable longer pistol.

              Pistol caliber carbines still have the same ballistic limitations as pistols. They are just a little easier to shoot fast and accurately. Since a .223 carbine is as light and handy as a pistol caliber there isn't really any benefit. Ammo interchangeability is rarely a concern. I carry 40 rounds of .45ACP on my duty belt. If I deploy the M4 and FORGET my spare mag, I still have 30 in the rifle. If I grab a spare mag on the way out of the car, then I have 60 rounds to go to war. I am only aware of a handful of non-SWAT encounters where an officer has had to expend more than thirty rounds from a rifle in the course of a gunfight.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Blackdog F4i View Post
                If I deploy the M4 and FORGET my spare mag, I still have 30 in the rifle. If I grab a spare mag on the way out of the car, then I have 60 rounds to go to war.
                One of the reasons I like having a standard stock, I can use a stock pouch. 60 rounds right on the rifle.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lawdawg45
                  Not aware of any departments that do, but it's an old idea dating back to the 1800's. Cowboys and cavalry soldiers preferred their lever guns in the same caliber as their pistol, so as not to carry two types of ammo. As to your question, I saw a Colt AR in 9mm and .45 acp at a local shop this week, and the Keltec Sub 2000 will accept Glock magazines. Wouldn't mind seeing some data of a .45 acp +P out of an 18 inch barrel.

                  LD
                  Well, not quite accurate. Early lever rifles were made for pistol calibers as they did not possess the structural integrity of the larger rifle calibers. It also made economical and practical sense to those working far from supplies to have one caliber. However, the military issue rifles of the 1870's and beyond were certainly rifle calibers, and civilians quickly adopted rifle calibers as they became commercially available. Why carry a rifle size weapon with the same limitations as your pistol, which is primarily a defensive weapon anyway? I had a Colt AR15 in 9mm once in the 90's. After a few trips to the range, I sold it for a .223. After 50 yards or so, the cartrideg loses much of its effectiveness. As others have said, if you're going to carry a rifle, put a rifle round in it. For plinking and such, do whatever makes you happy.

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                  • #10
                    Every department I've even known to experiment with carbines chambered for pistol calibers indicated that the decision was pushed down from above by folks far removed from the field and that ultimately they moved away from them as soon as they could afford to do so.

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                    • #11
                      The only options I see are some sub machine guns, but their use is limited and not for the average patrol officer, imo.

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                      • #12
                        At my department we can carry a rifle chambered for any pistol ammo, but the only guys that do are the swat guys with MP5's. As stated why would you want a long barrel pistol? The pistol is just so you can get to your rifle. Even with the same round (pistol and "rifle") the mags are prob not going to be the same. You would be downloading one mag to the other under fire... not a good time for that.
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                        • #13
                          Thureon Defense makes a carbine that accepts Glock mags.

                          But I would rather have a rifle caliber in a long gun.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jannino View Post
                            The only options I see are some sub machine guns, but their use is limited and not for the average patrol officer, imo.
                            Yea, that what I was thinking too. Like an MP5.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by reils49 View Post
                              Yea, that what I was thinking too. Like an MP5.
                              I don't know stats, but I think the majority of rifles deployed by patrol officers start with a vehicle take down... a handgun caliber just doesn't stack up to a long gun for that.

                              I grew up thinking MP5s were the baddest gun ever then I played with one a few times and wasn't too impressed... it's a platform you gotta get used to.

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