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    I am looking into giving up my Kahr PM 9mm as my ankle carry/off duty weapon. I have found that a lot of times something hits the mag release when carrying it on my ankle on duty, and when in my inside the pants holster off duty. I am always checking to make sure my gun is with me during the day (on and off duty) and it scares me to reach down and fell my mag is not all the way in my gun. I am leaning towards getting a revolver to fix this problem. I carry 6+1 rounds in my Kahr, and do have a mag that will allow 7+1, but I am small and the extended mag is harder to hide. I have been looking into a .38 special or a .327 mag, or a .44 special. I'm going to borrow my dads Charter Arms in a .44 special to see how I like the feel of a revolver. I would like something with 6 rounds, that way I'll only be loosing one round. What do you guys think. Right now I'm thinking of going with the Charter Arms .327 mag. It is about 21oz and has 6 rounds. The balistics look great on paper, however I don't like the fact it is not "Battle Proven". Like I said on paper it looks great, but it is so new, it is hard to find ammo, and hard to find someone who will give you a good shake down on it. What do you guys think. I want it light and accept a +p in a .38, and at a good price.
    Last edited by jyatesmp; 09-21-2008, 05:33 AM. Reason: spelling - sorry its late. lol
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    I carry a .38 S&W Airweight in an IWB holsters that I attach under my arm on one my vest's straps. You can’t really tell I have it on, but at the same time there is probably a much better way to carry the gun on your vest.

    When off duty I just use the IWB holster as well...an IWB.

    I am looking at getting one of the CZ subcompacts in 9mm though. I loved the CZ 97B I shot, and am looking at making the CZ P-01 my duty weapon.

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    • #3
      Add that to the other reasons I don't like ankle carry. The main one being it's harder to get to in any fight where you might need to use it vs. carrying on center.

      If I was going to carry a revolver, it would be a S&W. Battle proven means a lot when it's my life on the line.
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      • #4
        You might want to consider a S&W airweight like the 442 or 642 in stainless. At only 15 oz's, with 38 +P stopping power, I think you would be well suited.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Blackdog F4i View Post
          Add that to the other reasons I don't like ankle carry. The main one being it's harder to get to in any fight where you might need to use it vs. carrying on center.

          If I was going to carry a revolver, it would be a S&W. Battle proven means a lot when it's my life on the line.

          Well I dont tell many folks this, but I carry 2 bugs + my duty gun. I have a Glock 17 issued on my hip, Glock 26 on my vest, and right now a Kahr PM9 on my ankle. It depends on what you are doing when you need your gun that makes one spot better than any other. If you were in a ground fight it could be hard to get to your hip or vest, but your ankle is in easy reach. This works with any other combo you can come up with. Having something in all locations I found works best for me. If you have 1 you have 0, if you have 2 you have 1, if you have 3 you have 2 (I use this for flashlights, guns, pens etc). I was in the Military and I guess that thinking just carried over. Thanks for the input guys... Keep it coming
          Last edited by jyatesmp; 09-21-2008, 09:15 AM.
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          • #6
            Totally agree with Blackdog on carrying center of upper body, vest etc..vs ankle. Think about a realistic fight for your life usually over your duty gun on your hip and where your hands and arms already are in relation to having to abandon retention and reaching down towards another hard to get to limb. I carry a knive in my off hand side for this type of situation but if I do go to a back up it will be a Jframe airweight in my vest somewhere i can get to.
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            • #7
              I'd go for the revolver. I haven't shot one (dang, I need to get to the range) but that S&W 442 looks like a REALLY good option. Hammerless revolver, .38 Spl +P 1 7/8" bbl. Only downfall, as far as what you were looking at, is that it holds 5 rounds, not 6. I don't see this as a big deal because I carry a 1911. I don't need 537 rounds in a gun to feel confident.

              AND remember that a backup gun should be used to allow your escape. You should NOT plan to engage in a prolonged firefight with a backup gun, or even your duty weapon. That's what rifles are for. I think the 5 rounds of .38 should distract a would-be assailant enough to accomplish your E/E maneuvers.
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              • #8
                What do you want the backup gun to do?

                Act as a secondary weapon in case your primary handgun goes kaput, or be used as a "Get off me" gun for those times you are showing a suspect the finer points of jujitsu as you roll around with him on pavement covered in HIV infected needles?

                Use defines tools.

                What are you looking for?

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                • #9
                  What I really need to know is the difference between the .38 spec, .327 mag and the .44 spec. My real problem is the fact my mag button gets hit when it is in my ankle holster (on duty) and in my in the pants holster (off duty). I want this revolver to replace my Kahr PM9 9mm that holds 6+1 rounds. I want a revolver because my mag wont fall out when I am carrying it as it dose now. My question more or less was on the .327 mag. Has anyone shot it, and if so what do they think of it as a defence gun. I have shot a .44 spec and a .38 spec, I just was wanting to compare the 3 and pick the best round for 10 feet and in "Get off me gun" and off duty CHL.
                  The two loudest noises are a BANG when you thought there should be a CLICK and a CLICK when you thought there should be a BANG.

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                  • #10
                    Revolver or Auto

                    Another thing to think about is the fact that you can stick a revolver in the guy's ribs and fire 5 shots. If you are fighting with him it will be up close of course. A semi auto will probably jam against his body, or be pushed out of battery.

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                    • #11
                      If you are close enough to stick a gun in someone's ribs you are close enough to slam them with a push dager.

                      The "get off me" use factor is important, yes...but it is only a factor.

                      What happens if your gun goes Kaput for some reason and you need to continue to fight?

                      Snubbies suck, even if they are better than nothing.

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                      • #12
                        Mitchell_in_CT-
                        Snubbies suck, even if they are better than nothing.
                        That is something I will disagree with on. Under what criteria do they suck?
                        I have no problem shooting the academy qual course (using a lot of speed loaders) with mine in the time alloted, so to me that leaves ammo capacity as the only issue in my book.
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                        • #13
                          Snubbies suck, even if they are better than nothing.[/QUOTE

                          Well you do have a right to your opinion about snub guns, but the gun industry sells alot of snubs. It is what most people are buying in the revolver market. They are small, and reliable. There are alot of officers who have one as a drop in the pocket gun.

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                          • #14
                            I agree with fyrdog, nothing wrong with snubbies aside from capacity and they can't be beat as a "get off me" gun. Plus they're plenty accurate, I've also qualified with mine with no trouble. In fact I like them enough that I just bought a new one a couple of weeks ago.

                            If anyone is shopping for one check out the S&W Model 360 at www.budsgunshop.com - .38spl +p, scandium frame,steel cylinder, 13oz, $409 delivered.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sackett View Post
                              Another thing to think about is the fact that you can stick a revolver in the guy's ribs and fire 5 shots.
                              Try it sometime on an animal carcass. I would be suprised if you can get to the third shot without the cylinder jamming up with meat and gristle.

                              I am not saying autos are better, but anything mechanical can and will fail at the worst possible moment. Plan for it. Right now I am attempting to select a suitable fixed blade for immediate backup. It's one thing I can be confident will not jam or run out of ammo.
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