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  • #31
    Originally posted by cjmajor1807 View Post
    Your right it is, but common guys he has already said that what he did may not have been the smartest decision, but he did what he did and that's all there is too it, nothing more. We should stop beating the dead horse about "well things could have gone wrong." We all know they could have gone wrong, and I am sure he used this as a learning experience, so lets just say "nice collar" just next time, be a witness...that should be what everyone says.

    Don't start bashing explorers because we are "wanna-be's." Some of us try really hard to be good at everything we do, and sometimes our training (yes we do train, I went through a 8 week academy where we did DAAT everyday for 3 hours) kicks in when we are not at explorers. Isn't that what we want to happen? When stress sets in, we want to be able to rely on our muscle memory and our training to protect us, I believe that is the stated objective of doing so much training on hands on confrontation in law enforcement and in shooting, is it not? Just saying. (If you have noticed, I like being a devils advocate).
    It was not a nice collar and we're not going to praise him for it. He came on this board to brag about it, he's getting what he deserves, otherwise we are condoning his actions and encouraging future similar acts.

    In addition, he wasn't utilizing "DAAT" training that "kicked in", he INITIATED this, imho, he's flirting with an assault charge.
    Seriously, the only reason I wanted to be a cop was so I could post anywhere on this forum.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by CH47Doc View Post
      You just have to remember that youre 'wanna-be's', cuz you 'aint'. Theres nothing wrong with wanting to be a LEO but all the whizbang explorer training is nothing without a solid education and life experience. Explorers have their place and its not going 'hands on' with everybody that disrespects your, *cough, authority. Its ok to gain experience and to be exposed to the LE life but if you think youre 16 yr old self is going to win a hands on fight with a 300lb dude looking at his 3rd strike, youre mistaken. Youre 'EXPLORERS', not 'PARTICIPATORS' so go out and explore.

      Youre time would be better served learning how to avoid common errors in report writing and testifying in court. Also handy to know is when to keep your mouth shut. More cops have been hammered because they said something stupid than have been due to use of force issues.
      I agree that explorers time is better spent learning how to NOT go 'hands on' because when they do become officers this will save them time from being 'laid up'.

      As I said, the OP has said that it wasn't the brightest!
      Originally posted by hobbsie711
      THAT WAS LIKE A TACTICAL #%#^&$# SLAP!!!
      "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I am the baddest mother F****R in the valley."--My Ex-Explorer Advisor!

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      • #33
        Maybe this will sink it in a little deeper.


        Sheriff's Explorer Gerald Rabon

        Lee County Sheriff's Department,
        August 31, 2007
        Age: 20


        Apparently, Gerald held a job as a gas station attendant in addition to his explorer duties. On Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 2144 hours, two suspects walked into the Pik-N'-Run convenience store that adjoining the gas station and attempted a robbery. It is said Gerald intervened at some point and was shot an unknown number of times. Gerald was rushed to the hospital where he received 3 hours of emergency surgery and was given 50/50 chances. It appeared he was recovering enough to give the thumbs up sign at one point, but succumbed to his injuries on the morning on August 31.Arrested in connection with the shooting Chad Moreland, 24, and Iris Moreland, 27.




        Police Explorer Evan

        Miami-Dade Police Department
        December, 2005
        Age: 17


        Evan was killed during an attempted robbery. Evan in the passenger seat of a car when the suspect robbed the driver of his jewely at gunpoint. The gunman then went around to Evan's side, opened the door, and attempted to rob grab Evan's jewelry. Evan resisted and was shot at point-blank range.
        Originally posted by Smurfette_76
        Might not pass an AIDS test, but HEY...they look nice in uniform.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by CH47Doc View Post
          Maybe this will sink it in a little deeper.


          Sheriff's Explorer Gerald Rabon

          Lee County Sheriff's Department,
          August 31, 2007
          Age: 20


          Apparently, Gerald held a job as a gas station attendant in addition to his explorer duties. On Saturday, August 25, 2007, at 2144 hours, two suspects walked into the Pik-N'-Run convenience store that adjoining the gas station and attempted a robbery. It is said Gerald intervened at some point and was shot an unknown number of times. Gerald was rushed to the hospital where he received 3 hours of emergency surgery and was given 50/50 chances. It appeared he was recovering enough to give the thumbs up sign at one point, but succumbed to his injuries on the morning on August 31.Arrested in connection with the shooting Chad Moreland, 24, and Iris Moreland, 27.




          Police Explorer Evan

          Miami-Dade Police Department
          December, 2005
          Age: 17


          Evan was killed during an attempted robbery. Evan in the passenger seat of a car when the suspect robbed the driver of his jewely at gunpoint. The gunman then went around to Evan's side, opened the door, and attempted to rob grab Evan's jewelry. Evan resisted and was shot at point-blank range.
          It might have sounded like I was saying it was a good idea, however, I agree it was a bad idea. These instances should best be handled by police, and you should be a good witness (I agree). The police are there to apprehend suspects, not the people getting paid $7.00 an hour at the store. Personally I would have let them go, called the police and then given a full and detailed report of what happened when the police got there, but that is me.

          This explorer will learn real quick when he is wrestling around with someone who really WANTS TO KILL him when he becomes an officer. I have been in one fight since I started working security, and during that fight I was SCARED, I guess this explorer will have to learn that fear the hard way. I learned a lot from that fight, and I would rather let someone run then to get into a fight that I might not win.

          I guess if I was asked a question about fighting in an interview, I would say "If I have to, I can fight, but I would rather talk a suspect into handcuffs then force them into them."

          I used to be like this explorer, thinking police work was all about running and fighting with badguys. It HURTS to get punched in the face, and it HURTS to fight on pavement...nothing fun about it. He will learn though guys, so lets just stop kicking the dead horse!
          Originally posted by hobbsie711
          THAT WAS LIKE A TACTICAL #%#^&$# SLAP!!!
          "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I am the baddest mother F****R in the valley."--My Ex-Explorer Advisor!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by C-11 View Post
            I was working my real job at the local super market tonight (Tuesday, February 24, 2009) and I made some humerus announcement about how we would be closing in five minutes, and to please finalize all purchases and make your way to the register where I was working. Then, a slightly over weight mister Joe Blow comes from now where with a basket of groceries, ready to be checked out. The store bookkeeper, comes over to ring him out for me and I would bag, we had no baggers only ourselves, and she doesn't bag. LOL. As I start joking with this guy about my goofy announcement he starts laughing and saying how funny it was. Then, he grabs his hat, assumes a dead serious face, and runs for the door, basket of remaining groceries in hand. I think, this guy is playing, he's about to turn around and start joking about the economy and how groceries should be free etc. . When he keeps going. I look at my manager, start chasing this "suspect", and my manager starts following me, passes me, contains the guy briefly, and looses the man from his grip. At this point, I was hands on with the suspect telling him to stop an relax, when he swings on my manager, my manager ducks, I drop knee level with the suspect and tackle him. He and I, the suspect, are now on the ground with the manager regaining his footing coming towards us when the suspect starts fighting with me trying to get away, and then I realized, I don't have his hands. I start flipping out telling this guy to "let me see your hands!" . I know I have to get this guys hands . I see both of them instantly, cause he quite resisting and says "i give up", I held him down, until my manager said get up. I tell the guy cross your legs, and interlace your fingers on the back of your head. He sits there, through the fight his pants came down and his shirt tore so hes begging me to let him pull his pants up etc. I say " no you cannot, sit still", my manager felt sorry and said pull them up its ok. Whatever, he gets his pants up he stays there until the deputies get there, they laugh, i get a high five, he went to jail. Man i felt great, all my training kicked in without me even thinking about it! I love it.

            TRIVIA QUESTION:
            can anyone tell me what the only word in the english language to have 3 sets of double letters back to back?
            (by 'double letter' i mean like "jeep" has double e's)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Dr. Peebody View Post
              TRIVIA QUESTION:
              can anyone tell me what the only word in the english language to have 3 sets of double letters back to back?
              (by 'double letter' i mean like "jeep" has double e's)
              I do now, has to do with reading material.
              Seriously, the only reason I wanted to be a cop was so I could post anywhere on this forum.

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              • #37
                Despite any actual physical danger to you...In our litigious society until you have the protection of government immunity it is probably never a good idea to tackle someone. Remember, no good deed goes unpunished.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by FiremanMike View Post
                  I do now, has to do with reading material.
                  i believe we have a weiner!

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                  • #39
                    I work in retail, and have encountered similar instances on shoplifting. I will not put my life at risk to stop some punk whos getting away with $30 of stuff. Not worth it. I would probobly get my rear kicked or get sued, like what was mentioned above.
                    What I did do was I calmly followed the shoplifter at a distance, and wrote down the license plate number of the car he got into. He was in cuffs 3 hours later.
                    We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.

                    -Nikita Khrushchev


                    Live Free or Die

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