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  • Pelican 7060 Rechargeable LED Flashlight

    I was reading about the new Pelican 7060 Rechargeable LED Flashlight. Placing the political issues for LAPD aside, it will be interesting to see how well this flashlight performs for law enforcement. I know that I like the idea of a rechargeable LED flashlight that uses lithium ion batteries. I think that this will be compared to the Inova T4 and the Streamlight Stinger LED, but I also think that it will be a hard sell to a lot of us if it is much more expensive than the T4 or the Stinger LED.

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    http://pelican7060.com/main.html

    MSRP $199

    Interesting that the spec is a 1watt LED, yet it throws out 130 lumens. I'd love to try one out.

    FWIW a standard Streamlight SL20X is 200 lumens, a standard mini-maglite is about 15 lumens, and a standard 3 D-cell maglite is 39 lumens. It's hard (if not impossible) to compare the performance of flashlights based on lumens/candelas/candlepower values alone because of the great variation in types of reflectors, manufacturers using different distances from light source to measurement device, etc.

    Compare to the T4, 4 watt LED at 100ish lumens:
    http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum5053.php
    Rook21 swears by the Inova. I've never seen it.

    My belt light right now is a plain ol' conventional Streamlight Scorpion with conventional lithium batteries. I have the LED Scorpion and, at 49 lumens, it just doesn't cut it for me as a small belt light. I want my belt light to be there primarily as a backup light to my big SL20XP, so that I always have it with me and don't have to worry about it. At 8", I don't know if this Pelican light is something I would want on my belt all the time. The Stinger is 7.5" long and that was one of the big reasons why I never liked it. I prefer a little belt light and a big in-car light vs. an in-between size light. Just my opinion...

    Personally, I wouldn't buy the Stinger LED as I have no interest in dealing with NiCad batteries!

    Check out this little light!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Oyixf_grA
    http://fenix-store.com/product_info.php?products_id=158
    Non-rechargeable for about $70.

    I wonder if the new Pelican light is using a Cree LED like the above. These seem to be twice as bright and just as efficient as the regular Luxeon LED's. I googled for info but couldn't find any specifics about the Pelican LED manufacturer for the 7060.
    Last edited by Resq14; 04-01-2007, 09:11 PM.
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    • #3
      Candle Power Forums is having a big discussion on this new light, and I posted some thoughts over there:
      - Pelican probably particularly stayed in the running for this project so it could develop a light that uses lithium-ion, rather than NiCd or NiMh, rechargeable technology;
      - however, it is too bad that Pelican stuck with hook-charging, rather than either design and manufacture its own 18 mm x 65 mm 2200 mAh 3.7 volt li-ion cells, or out-source from a dedicated battery manufacturer and re-label them, so that they could be charged outside of the light body;
      - LAPD could have gone with one of the many small, powerful, li-ion style lights, but was probably extremely concerned about staying away from an all-aluminum body, given the concerns about the gals and guys on the street swinging those baseball bat-size Mags.

      Oh well, hopefully it does do everything it was designed to!
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      • #4
        Here is a preview of the 7060:

        http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...88#post1950188

        Hi guys,

        I don't consider this a review of the Pelican 7060 LAPD light but rather a preview based on a Beta sample and some images, observations and rough comparisons.

        The sample I received came with a charging dock and a 110 wall wart to provide the dock with 12VDC in:



        I will leave the specs to the manufacturer's supplied data and since this light is a Beta light and not a production light, it is likely that some changes could be made to what I have here. I am not qualified or at liberty to discuss what little I know or understand about the circuitry of both the battery and the LED driver beyond commenting that there is indeed circuitry in both the battery as well as a constant current driver in the light engine. I don't know what the drive level is to the LED but expect it to be one amp or even in excess of 1 amp. I base this on the relative output of the light in comparison with other lights I have.

        The LED module with reflector is a threaded coupling between the Bezel and base of the light:



        The contacts between the module and base are plated and look quite substantial in construction, to my perception:



        There are O-ring seals for these threaded joints and both switches have rubber boots for protection. The switches are of a "three way" function like three way switches in a house with the additional feature of momentary on from either switch if the light is in the off state. Either switch can latch the light into either on or off. This "three way" circuit requires two paths between the two switches and the contact points of these paths can be seen as the two pins in the tail caps which connect to the two outer pads on the battery case:



        The center contact that mates to the tapered coil spring is the negative pick up from the battery. The battery pack has a longitudinal key that mates with a keyway in the base body. The tail cap is designed in a manner such that it self aligns when seated completely. The battery has side contacts for these two paths with one seen in the picture below:





        The side switch as well as tail cap switch add some length to the light when compared to a light that would only have one of the two switches. In a line up with some other lights below, compare the 7060 to the Pelican M9 in particular:



        I left the light on and unattended and picked it up 40 minutes later. The heat sink was quite warm but I was able to grab the light by the sink and hold tight without any real discomfort. Holding the light by the base body was no issue at all; slightly warm.

        Well the 7060 uses a Cree XR-E and it has a very deep specular finish reflector. As many know, the XR-E requires a deep reflector to harness its light output if the intent is to collimate in a concentrated beam. The reflector has a short focal length and is relatively very deep. This is the first production (or beta of a production) light I have handled with a reflector designed specifically for the Cree XR-E and with intent of "throw".



        So how well does it throw?

        Since the 7060 is targeted at a market that is predominantly incandescent at present, I included a couple incandescent lights I had for some beam comparisons along with two LED lights; my S27-Cx2 and a SureFire Kroma. The beam shot field in daylight:



        For the beam shots, I placed a blue gray T-shirt on the wall bellow the middle bananna tree. The shots were taken from the same location as this day shot and the camera (Nikon D70S) was set on manual with 24mm focal length and shutter speed of 10 seconds with F stop at F9. The T-shirt was 36 feet from the lights.











        Four of the beam shots combined in one image:



        In the combined shot, note the grass in the foreground of each beam. I believe the strength of the spill of the Cree XR-E is evident in the 7060 beam shot. Regardless of exposure setting of the camera, I don't think the camera can catch some artifacts in the 7060 beam that you can detect with your own eyes. With the specular reflectors of both the M9 and 7060, you can see some artifacts but I personally don't consider them a distraction or of a level of significance that would cause a misread of that being illuminated.

        I took the group image and saturated it in photo shop to give a better feel of the overall beam including the spill and closer to providing an image of what you can actually see. Even here though, I could see much more detail than these pictures reveal (the lights were more than adequate for illuminating the back yard):



        I also took some relative mesaurements which are reasonable fair to be used in comparison of the lights measured but should not be taken in absolute numbers.

        For a lux measure, I used a Lutron light meter and placed the lights on a fixture with a hole through it that was placed approximately 1 meter above the light meter's sensor. A set distance from the front of each light and not the light source itself.

        Light -------------- Lux
        Kroma-------------- 1580
        S27-Cx2------------ 4510
        C3 (P90)------------ 3340
        M9 ----------------- 4650
        7060 --------------- 10870

        Notes about these lights: The C3 has not been used but has been fired up a few times. I did not replace its batteries with fresh from the box. The Kroma has a few minutes of use on its batteries. The S27-Cx2 is a new light of mine that hosts a Seoul P4 driven by a DB917 and powered by 2xCR123. It uses a McR-27S reflector and is basically a titanium version of the 27LT-S in terms of beam and output. (this is a light some of you are familiar with and for the rest of you, ) Both of the Pelican lights are rechargeable and their batteries had been recently charged with a few minutes of runtime after charge.

        I have an integrating sphere that is useful for relative measurements in cases where the lights are "presented" to the sphere in a similar fashion. I measured these lights with following results:

        Light -------------- Lumens
        Kroma-------------- 85
        S27-Cx2------------ 136
        C3 (P90)------------ 118
        M9 ----------------- 88
        7060 --------------- 131 *

        * The 7060 has a larger diameter reflector than the other lights and it stands off further from the port on the integrating sphere. For this reason, I knew its reading would be lower in relative terms than the others. I removed the bezel from the light and was able to bring the reflector flush with the IS port. In this manner, I measured 191 lumens. Now this is not realistic as there is light loss from the bezel window. To get a feel for this loss, I did a seperate lux reading of the 7060 with it clamped in a fixture and the light meter fixed in position. Without the bezel, I measured 1359 lux and with it, 1185 lux. The bezel window reduced the lux measure by about 13%. If we deduct 13% from the 191 lumens we get 174 lumens which should put it in a relative ball park, I believe.

        I will add some personal observations, opinions and questions in later posts in this thread. I want this initial post to be as objective as possible. The lights I used for comparison were selected because they were close at hand and not with any consious intent of bias; one way or the other. Hopefully some of you are familiar with these other lights so you can use them as a bench mark against the 7060. I would like to add that the 7060 surpasses any of the lights I have that are single LED in both lux and flux even though I have a few lights with larger reflector diameters; with one exception. The exception is a light with a 4" reflector in front of a Seoul P4 LED. My point is that the 7060 is a single LED light with impressive output compared to other LED lights I have and have seen.
        Last edited by Jim1648; 04-04-2007, 06:18 PM. Reason: Add original text

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        • #5
          I do indeed swear by the T4.

          However, these new CREE LED based lights seem to blow it away, which may mean it's time for another upgrade.

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          • #6
            http://www.pelican-cases.com has these on its site already for pre-ordering.

            I just called the Canadian distributor, and they also are expecting it out this June, but no idea of the Canadian $ price.

            By Pelican's own information, it will be quite a bit brighter than the 2320 M6, and considering it will come with a rechargeable cell and charger, even $200 US is not a bad civilian price for such a new product.
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            • #7
              Looking at Pelican's website I found that the LED is a 4.4 watt, not one as it shows in the news story. That is one bright light. So much that I may need to "retire" my T4 I got for X-mas!

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              • #8
                Some places are starting to take orders on these:

                http://www.boss-safety.com/shop/peli...FQkjWAodpH8Zag

                http://www.fox-intl.com/searchresult.asp?id=3692

                At a street price of a bit over $100, this is probably some serious competition for both the Inova T4 and the Streamlight Stinger LED.

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                • #9
                  Pelican 7060 108.00, best price I have found so far.

                  http://www.flashlightz.com/product.p...4653&category=

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                  • #10
                    if you buy one, just make sure you get a closed top holder so you don't lose it in a foot chase

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                    • #11
                      Pelican Canada is selling the 7060 at a special price for Canadian LEO/PO. The City Police here have one for evaluation, and I have handled it a little:

                      - it is VERY bright, the dual switching system is convenient and the body has a very "grippy" texture;

                      - I found it a bit unbalanced and front-heavy due to the heat-sinking;

                      - the charger should have been designed to be able to charge a second cell outside of the light body;

                      - I was a bit disappointed that it did not have a strobe feature, but have rarely used the strobe feature of my LED Logic Striker VG.
                      #32936 - Royal Canadian Mounted Police - 1975-10-27 / 2010-12-29
                      Proud Dad of #54266 - RCMP - 2007-02-12 to date
                      RCMP Veterans Association - Regina Division member
                      Mounted Police Professional Association of Canada - Associate (Retired) member
                      "Smile" - no!

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                      • #12
                        The Pelican is awsome. I bought it to replace my stinger on my belt but it has now become my primary light. It is brighter and has a longer throw than my large streamlight. I've even dropped it one the interstate several times with no problems. Try dropping your streamlight on the ground a few times and see what happens to the bulb.

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                        • #13
                          I bought my pelican 7060 on ebay for $89 shipped, brand spanking new.

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                          • #14
                            $140 including shipping. Hope to have it in a week or so, shipping to my igloo, and the local UPS guy doesn't have snowshoes. Hope he doesn't get lost and end up in Tuktoyuktuk or something.

                            Just kidding. Any more reviews on this light? Should I have bought it? I've heard good news so far, so I figured I'd take the plunge. My M9 is starting to show its age.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darcimus View Post
                              $140 including shipping. Hope to have it in a week or so, shipping to my igloo, and the local UPS guy doesn't have snowshoes. Hope he doesn't get lost and end up in Tuktoyuktuk or something.

                              Just kidding. Any more reviews on this light? Should I have bought it? I've heard good news so far, so I figured I'd take the plunge. My M9 is starting to show its age.
                              See my post above, and my PM to you.
                              #32936 - Royal Canadian Mounted Police - 1975-10-27 / 2010-12-29
                              Proud Dad of #54266 - RCMP - 2007-02-12 to date
                              RCMP Veterans Association - Regina Division member
                              Mounted Police Professional Association of Canada - Associate (Retired) member
                              "Smile" - no!

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