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    I have been wanting to make a vest that's rifle resistant. Ideally, i could throw it on on top of my uniform in a hurry and still have access to my duty belt. Unfortunately my agency does not supply these except for SWAT. If anyone has any input as to what materials i need (plates, carrier etc.) and a ball park answer of how much i would be spending i appreciate it. I don't know too much about body armor except for my duty vest so help is needed.
    "Its not what you know, its what you can prove."-Training Day

    "Game on, bitches. Whoop whoop, flash the lights, pull it over."

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    • #3
      I'll give it a spin.


      Two of these: http://www.qmuniforms.com/Brands/Max...e-Level-IV.axd



      One of these:http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore....tecarrier.aspx

      One of these:http://www.tacticaltailor.com/pouche...mag-panel-30rd

      One of these:http://www.tacticaltailor.com/le/medical/tac-pack-pouch and this: http://www.tacticaltailor.com/le/medical/tac-pack


      Definitely these:http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.asp...9871&TabID=548, http://www.blueforcegear.com/tourniquet-now-strap/

      Maybe one of these too:http://www.spectergear.com/p_ump_2.htm


      Off the top of my head that's what I got. There are many vendors, but only some are good to go. Hope this gets you off the ground.
      Last edited by 11b101abn; 12-31-2011, 08:22 PM.

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      • #4
        Dont for get that you need to be identifiable at 360 degrees. So placards of some type are paramount. I have used these guys w/ great results:


        http://www.richardcowell.com/placards.htm

        Remember: don't go cheap on this stuff. It's live saving equipment and an investment in your survivability.
        Last edited by 11b101abn; 12-31-2011, 08:24 PM.

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        • #5
          What's your budget?

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          I recommend this relatively low-profile solution: a plate carrier, the means of carrying 2-3 M4 magazines (or a tray or two of shotgun shells if restricted to shotguns), and a gunshot kit. Brand it with "police" or "sheriff" front and back as appropriate, and call it good. Need more? Have a small backpack available - for other than active shooter scenarios.

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          • #6
            In respopnse to the above poster, the idea of sustainment is a legit one. WHile not the most likely scenario is that you will need to supply other, less prepared officers. To that end, I located a sustainment pack from TAG. http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore....nmentpack.aspx

            It embraces the "fighting off of the back of the guy in fromt of you" concept that some specialized units utilize, but would probably do just as well for the above posters "need more?" scenario.

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            • #7
              Re nylon gear: nylon gear basically comes in two varieties, gear made from 1000 denier cordura and that gear made from 500 denier cordura. Gear made from 500 denier cordura is plenty strong, weighs less and is less bulky.

              Re color: The industry standard is black, for better or worse. I've seen ranger green, coyote, and various camouflage patterns here and there. The camo exclusively in tactical units, for what it is worth. I'd advise picking whatever you know will draw less attention to you. You know what I mean.

              Over a 3A vest, I like the Mayflower Assault Plate Carrier, AMI TAC3S plates, three M4 magazines in pouches secured by bungee cords, and a gunshot kit stuffed into an Emdom Recon Waist Bag.

              If I were wearing a stand alone carrier with soft armor backers, I'd replace the Mayflower APC with the SKD PIG Plate Carrier.

              Note: some advocate plate carriers without cummerbunds based on there being faster to done. And maybe they are... slightly. Something to think about.

              On a budget that doesn't allow for expensive plates? I recommend the TAP Gamma Plus single-curve plates. Those plates 11b noted are another good deal, and triple curved, at that.

              http://www.skdtac.com/Mayflower-Assa...-p/MFR.512.htm
              http://www.skdtac.com/PIG-Plate-Carrier-p/pig.502.htm
              http://www.armoredmobility.com/products_tac3s.php
              http://www.bodyarmoroutlet.com/conte...iii_10x12.html

              Re the pack: Keep it minimalist. Just what you need to complete the mission should it extend until reinforcements arrive. Mine, a Camelbak Ambush, has two M4 magazines, food, water, an extra gunshot kit, spare batteries for everything that needs them, a chem light, and a sharpie marker.
              http://www.camelbak.com/Military-Tac...11-Ambush.aspx

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              Re rifle plates:

              Type III : (Rifles) Armor protects against 6 rounds of 9.6 g (148 gr) 7.62x51mm NATO M80 ball bullets at a velocity of 847 m/s ± 9.1 m/s (2780 ft/s ± 30 ft/s). It also provides protection against the threats mentioned in Types I, IIA, II, and IIIA.

              Type IV : (Armor Piercing Rifle) Armor protects against 1 round of 10.8 g (166 gr) .30-06 Springfield M2 armor-piercing (AP) bullets at a velocity of 878 m/s ± 9.1 m/s (2880 ft/s ± 30 ft/s). It also provides at least single hit protection against the threats mentioned in Types I, IIA, II, IIIA, and III.

              Note, although you'll see it, there is no NIJ Level III+ rating: It falls somewhere between NIJ III and NIJ IV per manufacturer and/or independent evaluations. Where exactly? It will vary from plate to plate.

              Best of luck.

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              • #8
                WOW thanks alot to you both. I REALLY appreciate the help. Are "molle" and velcro the same as far as attaching pouches to the carrier? Can i use the same plates for both front and back or is there two different sizes needed?

                It appears that the plates offer no side protection, are there plates that cover the sides of the body too, Or is the carrier made of kevlar? OR am i suppose to insert the kevlar panels from an old duty vest into this new rifle vest and put rifle plates on top of them?

                Im thinking I will go with a black carrier, with just 2 mag pouches for my rifle and 2 for my handgun. And definitely the Police plackards on the front and back. Im looking to spend less than $400 if possible, but will spend more if my life depends on it.
                Last edited by lpstopper; 01-01-2012, 07:12 PM.
                "Its not what you know, its what you can prove."-Training Day

                "Game on, bitches. Whoop whoop, flash the lights, pull it over."

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                • #9
                  Any time.

                  MOLLE (pronounced MOLLY as in the female name) is an acronym for MOdular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment. The system's modularity is derived from the use of PALS webbing, rows of heavy-duty nylon stitched onto the vest as to allow for attachment of various MOLLE-compatible pouches and accessories. It is the de facto standard for modular tactical gear. It is what you want.

                  A $400 budget is a tight one. Very tight. Given that, I'd opt for the Gama Plus plates I linked to, a Blackhawk or 5.11 plate carrier, and 2 M4 magazine pouches. First chance that you get, add a gunshot kit. Second chance, upgrade the plate carrier. Thirt chance, the plates. Best of luck.

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                  Yes, you can use the same plates front and back.

                  Front and back plates provide... wait for it, front and back protection. Yes, you can buy side plates. No, most do not. And no, most do not need them. Rigs designed for full, coverage are outside the scope of what we are talking about, namely throw-and-go armor upgrades for line officers.

                  The carrier is just that, a nylon carrier designed to carry armor plates. (Armor carriers carry both. Folks that already have soft armor on don't need an armor carrier.) It offers no protection in and of itself.

                  A black plate carrier, appropriate plates, and two M4 mag pouches will do if you will. Assuming you already have spare pistol mags on your duty belt, I'd leave them off. If it is plate carrier time, it is rifle time, after all. Or should be. And... I'd add a gunshot kit. You're running to gunfire, after all.
                  Last edited by Erik; 01-01-2012, 08:21 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for clearing it all up, told ya i had no knowledge about body armor! I think the "armor carrier" mite be a better option( the way you have explained it ) because i could keep it in my car and throw it on if i were off duty and responding to something, id have the same protection as my regular vest + the rifle protection.
                    "Its not what you know, its what you can prove."-Training Day

                    "Game on, bitches. Whoop whoop, flash the lights, pull it over."

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                    • #11
                      subscribing! I have been wanting to do the same thing.

                      all I have so far is the carrier (w/soft armor for now), mag carrier, radio holder, and Sheriff ID tags.

                      Im saving up for everything else I might need....
                      Chris

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                      • #12
                        No matter what, keep it reasonable. I have seen officers so loaded up w/ s**t on ther armor, they could barley move. Mobilty, sustainment, medical, ammunition management, communications can all be addressed w/o carrying a debilitating amount of gear. Keep in mind your need to be able to run, scale, jump and shoot w/ this gear, so arrange it to where strenuous activity is possible. Incorporate the extra weight into whatever workout regimen you currently have to acclimate your body.

                        Good luck and keep this thread up to keep us appraised.

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                        • #13
                          I'd argue against the armor carrier, based on the following:

                          1. On duty, you will already have on soft armor.
                          2. Off duty or in plain clothes, simply take the extra few seconds to done your soft armor and your plate carrier.
                          2. They are more expensive.
                          3. They are heavier and bulkier.

                          And reread 11b's last post. Less is more. Then train with it.
                          Last edited by Erik; 01-02-2012, 04:45 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Maverick, does your current carrier have the ability to accept plates? I ask because most geared for the law enforcement industry do not. And yes, I've known a person or two who didn't find that out until after they went to put the plates in.
                            Last edited by Erik; 01-02-2012, 04:45 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Erik View Post
                              Maverick, does your current carrier have the ability to accept plates? I ask because most geared for the law enforcement industry do not. And yes, I've known a person or two who didn't find that out until after they went to put the plates in.
                              haha that would suck! especially after spending all that money.

                              My carrier is similar to this (same design but I dont think its a voodoo brand):
                              http://www.blackbriartactical.com/sh...2&cat=5&page=1

                              All I have on it now is a 3 mag pouch in front, with the sheriff ID tag towards the top of the carrier (front and back).
                              I also have a radio holder (because I have issues getting to my radio when its on my duty belt w/the carrier on).
                              I think I am going to add a small pouch for basic medical stuff but I dont really want to addtoo much more than that...besides not really needing everything and a kitchen sink I dont want to weigh myself down too much.
                              Chris

                              XBOX Live: Citizen GaKar


                              http://i36.tinypic.com/1zoxgtc.gif

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