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  • Folding Rigid Cuffs practical for patrol work?

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    Does anyone know if Folding Rigid Handcuffs would be useful for normal patrol officers?



    These is the new ASP folding rigid cuffs:





    http://www.asp-usa-demo.com/pdfs/asp..._Handcuffs.pdf







    They say they are best for airline transport or courtroom since they are so restrictive. I thought because of this they may not be great for regular police work. Although I thought many departments over the pond use them.



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    why would you ever use such a thing? Just get a pair of regular old peerless hinge cuffs....
    In Valor there is hope

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    • #3
      Kansas Highway Patrol uses a style of rigid cuffs (they don't fold), they seem to like them.

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      • #4
        I know that a county sheriff's office near me will not allow them, apparently they had a few incidents involving broken wrists when detainees fought after having one wrist cuffed. Just a policy though, depends on your agency.

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        • #5
          They're more popular in Britain.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by SCSU74 View Post
            why would you ever use such a thing? Just get a pair of regular old peerless hinge cuffs....
            I have been curious about them as well. Seems like they would be more restrictive than hinged cuffs and make it hard to use both hands together. There was an incident a few months ago in Southern California where a suspect who as cuffed managed to grab the arresting officer's gun and shoot him.
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            • #7
              Seems like they would be harder to get on someone who was resisting (just off the top of my head). I'd have to get my hands on a pair and do some practical training before I would be comfortable carrying them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KenW. View Post
                They're more popular in Britain.


                True, and there's don't fold.




                I wonder what benefit they see in them.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KenW. View Post
                  They're more popular in Britain.
                  They were also the first to use hinged cuffs in mass
                  Originally posted by Ceridwen
                  Just one would be stingy of me, I'd have to get two. For the children.

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                  • #10
                    I think the techniques for getting uncooperative subjects cuffed would involve a lot of pain compliance.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DAL View Post
                      I think the techniques for getting uncooperative subjects cuffed would involve a lot of pain compliance.


                      Not sure about that.



                      My SW Model 1 Hinged are basically rigid cuffs and I find them easier to apply then chain cuffs, which is why I use them.


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                      • #12
                        When you have a suspect who is resisting, hinged cuffs can require a lot of torque to the wrist to gain compliance.
                        Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                        Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DAL View Post
                          When you have a suspect who is resisting, hinged cuffs can require a lot of torque to the wrist to gain compliance.


                          But you have more control of your cuffs, which is why I went from chained to hinged.



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DAL View Post
                            When you have a suspect who is resisting, hinged cuffs can require a lot of torque to the wrist to gain compliance.
                            That's bad why?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SCSU74 View Post
                              That's bad why?
                              I do not mean to imply that this is a determinative factor against rigid cuffs, but the need to use severe pain compliance can create problems.

                              1. It can result in injuries. I recall reading about an officer in the UK would suffered serious wrist injuries in training with rigid cuffs. I heard that LASD does not allow hinged cuffs because of too many injuries during evaluation.

                              2. Some people are not very sensitive to pain in in the wrist areas (and elsewhere), so pain compliance won't work well.

                              3. People on some drugs may not feel pain at all, so pain compliance won't work with them.

                              4. When you have someone down on the ground and their arms pinned, you may have to move the hands quite a bit in order to get them cuffed together even if the hands are close to one another, because the angles don't work out right. I have had this problem with hinged cuffs, and I am sure it would be even more of a problem with rigid cuffs, because they provide less range of movement.

                              Of course, the greater restriction of movement almost certainly would be better for officer safety.
                              Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                              Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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