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    My Lt. has asked me to find a new brand of OC spray for 2 reasons.

    1. Needs to be ECD compatible
    2. ours seems to take quite a while to kick in

    We currently carry Defense Technology Pepper-10 and no one seems happy with it. I sprayed a new officer for training the other day, and she said she didn't really feel anything until we went to decon.

    Right now I'm looking at Sabre Red as a strong contender, but am open to suggestions and looking for what works in real life.

    So... what do you have that works better?

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    Go Sabre Red! It took all of maybe 5 seconds to kick-in when I got sprayed with it. It major sucked and it lasted.
    I also recommend Sudecon Wipes but not so much the Sabre DECON wash.
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    • #3
      Fox Labs hands down! 5.3 shu burns like hell!!!
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      • #4
        Freeze +P

        http://www.aerko.com/Freeze%20+P%202K3.htm

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sencless View Post
          Fox Labs hands down! 5.3 shu burns like hell!!!
          Fox Labs 5.3 effed me up, but good and is ECD compatible.

          You KNOW you should do your own testing, right?
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          • #6
            Sabre Red.......
            yeah!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sgt. Slaughter View Post
              Fox Labs 5.3 effed me up, but good and is ECD compatible.

              You KNOW you should do your own testing, right?
              As the OC instructor, I believe that would give me the right to delegate some test subjects... I mean, a good officer always tests his tools right?. Maybe I can cruise down to the trailer park and find me some volunteers.

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              • #8
                If I could do my own testing -

                I'd use 4 subjects:

                2 sprayed with Sabre Red and 2 with Fox Labs 5.3. Decon one of each brand with water and one with that same companies' decon product. It would be preferable to use the same glutton for punishment...I mean...'test subject' so they could testify as to which one was most effective as well as which decon procedure or product reigns supreme.

                Video record it all and sell it like PPV.
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                • #9
                  I got hit with Sabre Red in the academy and STILL remember the pain. However, I have heard from several people that Freeze+P is the shiz-nit.
                  Originally posted by Ceridwen
                  Just one would be stingy of me, I'd have to get two. For the children.

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                  • #10
                    I have not been sprayed with Fox Labs, but I have been with Sabre Red and I've used both products. Hands down the Sudecon wipes worked far better than when I used the Sabre DECON wash. Sure the Sabre wash 'helped' but I had too use the step 2 bottle every hour for the rest of night. With the Sudecon wipes I used 5 wipes total for full effect. Granted the best course is just not getting sprayed...

                    By the way Sgt., I still some of the Sabre DECON wash if you want to give it a test run yourself
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                    • #11
                      fox 5.3 burns like a mofo. Top Cop isnt bad either.

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                      • #12
                        I'm issued Punch II. It hurts like the dickens and is ECD compatible. I got sprayed with it and it worked fine. It's worked fine on someone that I was up close and personal with. It also works great on dogs when I have time to deploy it. Of course, some guys in my academy got hit with Sabre Red and they swore up and down both literally and figuratively that it worked great.

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                        • #13
                          FOX 5.3!!! I have been sprayed with Saber Red and FOX 5.3 if I need one I much prefer fox 5.3 seems to me to bring the fury instantly and it lasts!!! I can't even describe the feeling other than effective. I never want to be sprayed with FOX LABS again. I think you would be doing your department a great dis-service to not try it. But, as others have said grab the "Big 3"-most commonly used and try them out (Fox 5.3, Saber Red and Freeze +P)

                          Also depending on what you are looking for there are some out there upwards of 15 million SHU's now days but I think that is just plain brutal. and I dis watch our training CPL. get sprayed by 15 million+ and it literally hurt to be near him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sencless View Post
                            Fox Labs hands down! 5.3 shu burns like hell!!!
                            The Fox labs stuff is brutal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SHU View Post
                              The Fox labs stuff is brutal.
                              That's what I got hit with in the academy... that is a day I will NEVER forget!
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