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  • ATF Announcement

    ATF is going to be posting a job announcement on its website next week. There is going to be 6 cities where the testing is to take place spread out across the country.

  • #2
    cool, do you know what the min requirements are to apply for this fed. position?

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    • #3
      The announcement is for GS 5/7/9. A college degree would be the bare minimum but ATF is an extremely competitive job so I think those with LE, Military, and/or Masters would be most competitive.

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      • #4
        atf

        whoever sees the announcement please post it asap for all. thanks..

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        • #5
          Just keep an eye on the website for the announcement. Also, the website has the minimum requirements for the different pay scales. 3 years minimum experience for GS 5 or a degree. It goes up from there for GS 7 & GS 9.

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          • #6
            What's the job posting announcement going to be for Special Agent, Explosive Specialist, etc.?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NYState of Mind View Post
              What's the job posting announcement going to be for Special Agent, Explosive Specialist, etc.?
              1811....Special Agent.....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tua View Post
                The announcement is for GS 5/7/9. A college degree would be the bare minimum but ATF is an extremely competitive job so I think those with LE, Military, and/or Masters would be most competitive.
                Another thing to remember is that if you're a current 1811, they will only bring you on board as a GS-9, even if your're currently a GS-13 and apply under an announcement for current 1811's. Some guys/gals are willing to make the sacrifice, while others can't afford the pay cut.

                As a side note being an 1811 with ATF, is an EXCELLENT job. There are three agencies in the fed which people generally never leave before retirement... FBI, DEA, and ATF. The rest seem to get people for a few years and then they move to another agency.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SoCalFed View Post
                  Another thing to remember is that if you're a current 1811, they will only bring you on board as a GS-9, even if your're currently a GS-13 and apply under an announcement for current 1811's.
                  Well ATF hasn't advertised for lateral 1811 applicants in years, and when they did they often hired above the GS-9 paygrade. However, now everyone whether a current 1811 or not applies under the same announcements, which have consistently been for the GS-5,7, and 9 paygrades, so everyone who applies knows up front the highest possible grade will be 9.

                  It should also be noted though that ATF might hire someone at a lower paygrade than their current 1811 job, but they will give that person a step within that grade that most closely matches their old 1811 paygrade. If step 10 is less than their old paygrade, when the move up to their next paygrade ATF will again attempt to match their highest previous rate. So in your example of a 1811 at GS-13 step 1, they would start as a GS-9 step 10, when they move up to GS-11 it would also be step 10, and at GS-12 it would be step 7, when they went back up to GS-13 the "2 step increase rule" would apply and they would be a GS-13 step 3.

                  So yes there would be a healthy paycut, but the way the steps are handled with the "highest previous rate" and "2 step increase" rules, the effects of the paycut are greatly minimized.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SA13 View Post
                    Well ATF hasn't advertised for lateral 1811 applicants in years, and when they did they often hired above the GS-9 paygrade. However, now everyone whether a current 1811 or not applies under the same announcements, which have consistently been for the GS-5,7, and 9 paygrades, so everyone who applies knows up front the highest possible grade will be 9.

                    It should also be noted though that ATF might hire someone at a lower paygrade than their current 1811 job, but they will give that person a step within that grade that most closely matches their old 1811 paygrade. If step 10 is less than their old paygrade, when the move up to their next paygrade ATF will again attempt to match their highest previous rate. So in your example of a 1811 at GS-13 step 1, they would start as a GS-9 step 10, when they move up to GS-11 it would also be step 10, and at GS-12 it would be step 7, when they went back up to GS-13 the "2 step increase rule" would apply and they would be a GS-13 step 3.

                    So yes there would be a healthy paycut, but the way the steps are handled with the "highest previous rate" and "2 step increase" rules, the effects of the paycut are greatly minimized.
                    That is true, but many people aren't able/or willing to take the initial $40K paycut. My friend was a GS-13 (1811) and went over to ATF a few years ago as a GS-9. Yes, you do eventually gain it back, but it isn't overnight.

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                    • #11
                      I just spoke to the recruitment office in D.C. and the job announcement will be posted tomorrow (9/12) on the website.

                      Here's the link to where it will be where it will posted (I'm hoping)


                      http://www.atf.treas.gov/jobs/index.htmsted.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jkrein View Post
                        Here's the link to where it will be where it will posted (I'm hoping)


                        http://www.atf.treas.gov/jobs/index.htmsted.
                        That is not the correct link, as evidenced by the portion that contains ".treas". ATF left Treasury and moved to Justice a few years ago.

                        relevant links:

                        www.atf.gov

                        http://www.atf.gov/jobs/index.htm

                        http://www.atf.gov/jobs/sa_faq.htm

                        http://www.atf.gov/jobs/2007_special...nfo_packet.pdf

                        Good luck to all who plan to apply, and here's a hint: follow all the instructions in the announcement and in the Special Agent Information Packet (the .pdf linked above) very carefully.

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                        • #13
                          I have a question regarding the ATF. I have a Criminal Justice major under my belt (good GPA), along with a federal internship. I have no law enforcement experience, and federal law enforcement is what I want to do. I am getting ready to start the process with the National Guard and give SF my best shot, but this opened up and I have to make a choice if I go with the NG or try to get on with the ATF. Question is, what kind of chances does a guy have with no law enforcement experience have with getting on with a federal agency, or would some military experience and excelent training be a better route to have before applying with the ATF?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JHoss View Post
                            I have a question regarding the ATF. I have a Criminal Justice major under my belt (good GPA), along with a federal internship. I have no law enforcement experience, and federal law enforcement is what I want to do. I am getting ready to start the process with the National Guard and give SF my best shot, but this opened up and I have to make a choice if I go with the NG or try to get on with the ATF. Question is, what kind of chances does a guy have with no law enforcement experience have with getting on with a federal agency, or would some military experience and excelent training be a better route to have before applying with the ATF?
                            I know someone who got picked up by ATF just out of college with no Military or LE experience. Apply and find out. Good luck.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JHoss View Post
                              I have a question regarding the ATF. I have a I am getting ready to start the process with the National Guard and give SF my best shot, but this opened up and I have to make a choice if I go with the NG or try to get on with the ATF.
                              No you don't have to make a choice. ATF, just like every fed agency other than USSS, allows their agents to serve in the Guard and Reserve. Also, the application process will take anywhere from 12 to 36 months to complete (although the average is 18 to 24 months), so you easily do your training with the Guard while applying. ATF is pretty good about being flexible with people who have commitments to the Guard and Reserve during the application process. Hopefully the Army would also be flexible with you while attending the academy for ATF also. They were for several of my friends while attending various academies for LE, including ATF.

                              While many agencies want to hire guys with a little bit of post college life experience there are people fresh out of college that do get hired. The internship should help also. So give it a shot. If you don't make it this time you can apply again later. Many people have been hired by ATF on their 2nd or 3rd application.

                              While it could be a good thing to go straight to the feds, if you're in your early to mid 20s you have plenty of time to get on with the feds. You may want to consider doing a few years with a local PD, and get that valuable street experience, before going to the feds.

                              Good luck in whatever you do.
                              Last edited by SA13; 09-12-2007, 10:37 AM.

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