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  • Originally posted by Deadpker View Post
    What's HSI's poly status? I know CBP's has a high fail rate, is HSI's pretty much the same?
    The poly is extremely new, I don’t have any hard numbers on it, but personally I don’t like it. I just don’t believe in them, but that’s a personal thing. They keep saying they’re going to it with all applicants, but as of last year that was not possible as HSI doesn’t have enough polygraphers to test everyone and they only tested those with discrepancies in their backgrounds.

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    • Anyone know how the suitability determination differs from the final TS Clearance approval?

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      • Lone-ranger
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        Hmmm that’s a question and one that I’m interested in knowing the answer to as well.

        If I had to guess, I’d say the suitability determination is performed once your background report is returned to the agency from OPM. Final clearance is likely granted when the agency submits your packet to the clearing board.

      • Nieto2588
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        I spoke with a buddy of mine today that's a Deputy Marshal. He has a TS and said that it's "needs based". So, I don't need it until hired on and in need of having that type of access. He made it sound like it's one of the onboarding steps. I know tons of guys that are extended an academy date well before their background adjudicates, and typically it's completed prior to graduation. They give them priority due to the time restraints and them needing to be cleared for TS intel immediately post academy. I just wish that they would've allowed me to attend FLETC under the interim that I was eligible for late last year. I'm a current FLEO with 10+ years LEO experience, so I'm not sure how they make the determination on who gets to EOD prior to clearance. It's probably a lottery system and I drew the short straw. Oh well.. still making progress I suppose.
        Last edited by Nieto2588; 04-16-2019, 12:11 AM.

    • Hey all,

      Long time lurker here. I reached out to ICE to ask about the status of the announcement and such and was replied with this, "...Any SAC selections based off experience were already selected during the announcement period. You should be receiving an email if you were selected for processing"

      Not really sure what to make of this. Would this mean, I'm out of luck?

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      • Sgt0844
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        Pretty quick IMO...the job posting mentioned we should hear back with some sort of update on the processing within 2 weeks.

    • It's Direct Hire, so they can be more selective than usual. They'll test the guys that look good on paper first, then invite others as that list dwindles down. They've still got a ton of us from the 2016 announcement and last years DH. There's no common theme with the feds. You're better off forgetting about your application and just process through if/when they call. I sure wish I was better at doing that.

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      • Originally posted by ifineed2 View Post

        The poly is extremely new, I don’t have any hard numbers on it, but personally I don’t like it. I just don’t believe in them, but that’s a personal thing. They keep saying they’re going to it with all applicants, but as of last year that was not possible as HSI doesn’t have enough polygraphers to test everyone and they only tested those with discrepancies in their backgrounds.
        They wouldn't be bad if they were implemented better. My personal opinion is that they shouldn't be used for pre employment. The part about polygraphs that makes no sense is that they occur before the background investigation. I work on background investigations, some cases have polygraphs apart of the process. For example: person verifies all of their background information, passes polygraph, then when the actual background occurs theres oodles of discrepancies. Then the question is, if there's all these discrepancies, how did they pass their polygraph?

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        • Nieto2588
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          IMO, polygraphs should be a tool used post background in order to affirm or refute information. They give the administrator an idea of your reaction to certain questions. IF they see something they don't like, they know where to look. However, if it doesn't result in the findings that they suspected, it should be cleared unfounded and not be used against the applicant in the hiring decision.

      • Originally posted by Levithane View Post

        They wouldn't be bad if they were implemented better. My personal opinion is that they shouldn't be used for pre employment. The part about polygraphs that makes no sense is that they occur before the background investigation. I work on background investigations, some cases have polygraphs apart of the process. For example: person verifies all of their background information, passes polygraph, then when the actual background occurs theres oodles of discrepancies. Then the question is, if there's all these discrepancies, how did they pass their polygraph?
        Leaving the merits of polygraphs and background investigations aside. It depends on the discrepancies.

        Not all polygraphs look for discrepancies in background investigations. Some are strictly counterintelligence polygraphs, they are looking for illicit interactions with foreign entities. These polygraphs are not designed to nail applicants for failing to list a job they held years ago, or forgetting to list a credit card debt they owe. Other polygraphs are designed to look for honesty in answers related to drug use or failure to honor debts and taxes. Certain agencies or departments do not look to kindly on unpaid taxes or prior drug use.

        Polygraphs and backgrounds are completed by different individuals and sometimes different offices to ensure information developed from one does not taint the other. You don't want bias from the polygraph to spill over into the background investigation or vice-versa.
        Last edited by titoCA321; 04-17-2019, 02:04 AM.

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        • Originally posted by Levithane View Post

          They wouldn't be bad if they were implemented better. My personal opinion is that they shouldn't be used for pre employment. The part about polygraphs that makes no sense is that they occur before the background investigation. I work on background investigations, some cases have polygraphs apart of the process. For example: person verifies all of their background information, passes polygraph, then when the actual background occurs theres oodles of discrepancies. Then the question is, if there's all these discrepancies, how did they pass their polygraph?
          When they were originally implemented they were being used only for discrepancies, which in my opinion. Makes sense. But honestly, I failed one for the SS. Actually they said it was inconclusive due to my reactions on the control questions. They took me off the box, went over the questions I was “inconclusive on” changed the way the worded them and I passed. What a joke. They could’ve walked me right there, and called it inconclusive...it’s just way to open for interpretation for me. I’d rather see them sink into background investigations harder. My worthless .02.

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          • Originally posted by titoCA321 View Post

            Leaving the merits of polygraphs and background investigations aside. It depends on the discrepancies.

            Not all polygraphs look for discrepancies in background investigations. Some are strictly counterintelligence polygraphs, they are looking for illicit interactions with foreign entities. These polygraphs are not designed to nail applicants for failing to list a job they held years ago, or forgetting to list a credit card debt they owe. Other polygraphs are designed to look for honesty in answers related to drug use or failure to honor debts and taxes. Certain agencies or departments do not look to kindly on unpaid taxes or prior drug use.

            Polygraphs and backgrounds are completed by different individuals and sometimes different offices to ensure information developed from one does not taint the other. You don't want bias from the polygraph to spill over into the background investigation or vice-versa.
            Which discrepancies specifically? I ask because if we're talking about alcohol related issues, or experimentation with drugs (like marijuana), we'll have a lot of people fail. I say this because I interview a ton of people related to those issues, and estimates are what I'm given majority of the time when it comes to usage. Me, I've failed one for a reaction to a question related to Domestic "Violence"(never engaged in Domestic Violence), and one for drugs (specifically abuse of prescription medication, which I have never done). To me it sounds good on paper, but in practice theres a lot of subjectivity involved.

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            • Originally posted by Radio Raheem View Post
              Does anyone have a list of the satellite offices under the responsibility of the SAC offices?
              Which office specifically?

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              • Directly from the announcement:


                "Next steps


                ICE will test a limited group of applicants for selection consideration. Subsequently, applicants will be tested on an as needed basis to fill additional vacancies. We will consider applications in the order in which they are received.

                Within approximately 2 weeks of completing the application in USAJOBS and USA Staffing, tentatively qualified and eligible applicants may receive an "Assessments are Required" notification and personalized link to complete the online unproctored assessments. Approximately 2 weeks following the unproctored testing window, applicants who passed the Writing Assessment will receive an invitation to schedule and complete the proctored assessments."

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                • Has anybody heard anything just yet? the announcement said "within" 2 weeks; which is nearing soon.

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                  • Nothing yet. The end of this week is the two week mark. I'm hoping some of the folks here start sounding off, so we know they're initiating contact.

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                    • My buddy emailed a recruiter, here's what he told him.


                      The direct hire and public announcement activated simultaneously. A coworker did the direct hire route and the field offices were required to make their selection for those positions by last week on Friday. We applied in the public announcement vacancy and those indivuals have not been contacted or selected yet, opm is reviewing those applications and they will contact the candidates for test dates once their done reviewing the most qualified, they are taking the first 2,500 most competitive candidates. Our selection of location had zero impact on their decision for selection and will ultimately hold no weight if we are offered the position.
                      So it sounds like I'm screwed for updating my application on the last day because I had made a mistake on it via mobile, when I first submitted it on the first day.

                      I'll cling to some hope though.
                      Former BPA, finally out , current 1811.

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                      • "the field offices were required to make their selection for those positions by last week on Friday"

                        - Would this mean that the direct hire announcements were already selected?

                        I thought only the direct hire announcement went live on USAJOBS, i don't get what you mean by "the field offices were required to make their selection for those positions by last week on Friday".. You mind explaining? I'm lost brother.

                        Hang in there man, I'm sure you're still good!



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                        • I'm not sure any of you are "good". OPM will make that determination. Only the preferred candidates were selected by SAC's that participated. Not all did, so many will be referred to various offices for testing through OPM. Last time around, there was an issue with updating your application last minute and being dropped to the back of the pack. I'm not sure if that was mitigated, but there were many complaints because of it. However, there was a cutoff in scores that was later dropped to allow other candidates to continue in the process. Many, many applicants fail out at various steps throughout the process (i.e. written exam fails tons, panels fail some, backgrounds fail a moderate number).

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                          • Lovetocamp
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                            I'm good for written exams and backgrounds. Panel interviews I have to practice for, but I'll ve alright. I'm just worried about the updating the application and falling into the back of the line thing.

                          • Sgt0844
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                            Its definitely going to be interesting seeing who gets selected as most qualified. I know a good 20 people who put in for this posting ranging from all sorts of backgrounds . Ill keep the forum posted.
                            Last edited by Sgt0844; 05-03-2019, 12:11 PM.

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