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  • Sooo...FWS or HSI? Got both. Gotta choose. Life's crazy sometimes.

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    • At one, you'll be a 13 within a year. At the other, you'll drop down to a 9 for a year. Then you'll be an 11 for a year. Then you'll get a journeyman 12. If you are a Rockstar, in a few years you'll get a 13.

      At one, you'll go 150,000 miles between g-rides. At the other, you'll get a new g-ride every three years.

      At one, you'll be one of thousands. At the other, you'll be one of a couple hundred. Now the small family aspect might seem attractive, until you realize it's as bizarre as the Addams family.

      At one, you'll be assigned to a small office and have no choice regarding who work with and for, unless you are able to move to another state. At the other, you will be assigned to an office with a hundred agents and every couple of years you can jump to a different group.

      At one, you'll be able to persuade prosecutors and courts about the magnitude of the crime and receive prohibitive sentencing for investigations involving children, national security, and narcotics. At the other, judges will openly question the importance of an interstate deer poaching investigation, seeing how they see dead deer everyday on the side of the road.

      At one, on Day One, you'll be told you're now the best of the best, even though you haven't done anything. At the other, on Day One you'll be told, "we realize you could've taken your skills somewhere else, and we appreciate you chose us."

      At one, you'll have to deal with egos. Big egos. Lots of them. At the other, egos are tempered. Professionals quietly do their jobs.

      At one, you'll find camaraderie and a sense of blue pride, that agents are in this together and have each other's backs. At the other, you'll wonder who you can trust, because someone is always listening, looking for a spine to stab.

      At one, you'll be a small cog in a big machine, and outside your immediate office, no one will know you, or care what you think. At the other, management will hang you by your heels if you ever question their brilliance and wisdom.

      At one, greater weight is on team accomplishments. At the other, greater weight is on individual accomplishments.

      One has institutional integrity. The other, not so much.


      Last edited by Ratatatat; 05-19-2019, 11:39 AM.
      The problem is- we give up too easily.

      -Thomas Edison

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      • JB Smoove
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        HSI does some great stuff. If you’re young and like the running and gunning stuff like buy busts, high risk warrants, and that kind of stuff, you’ll have plenty of opportunities. Plus HSI has a seemingly unending budget.

      • JB Smoove
        JB Smoove commented
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        Good luck whichever way you go.

      • 1811ticktock
        1811ticktock commented
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        I'm not young, but I like all that stuff haha.

      • Gollywompas
        Gollywompas commented
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        whoever suggested McNulty as your avatar f'in nailed it!...

    • Originally posted by 1811ticktock View Post
      Sooo...FWS or HSI? Got both. Gotta choose. Life's crazy sometimes.
      Congratulations on the offers!
      What location(s)?

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      • 1811ticktock
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        All I can say is FWS offered me a better location.

    • I would guess that if you haven’t gotten a call by now, it’s probably not happening.

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      • Originally posted by JB Smoove View Post
        I would guess that if you haven’t gotten a call by now, it’s probably not happening.
        Not necessarily. Calls are still going out.

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        • Originally posted by canyon_ranger View Post

          Not necessarily. Calls are still going out.

          And who gave you permission to speak on matters of personnel and hiring status?
          The problem is- we give up too easily.

          -Thomas Edison

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          • Thanks for making me smile. I needed that boost today .

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            • With that outfit, I bet you need a boost everyday....
              The problem is- we give up too easily.

              -Thomas Edison

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              • I think canyon ranger drinks the USFWS kool-aid.

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                • More like he bathes in it.
                  The problem is- we give up too easily.

                  -Thomas Edison

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                  • Originally posted by Ratatatat View Post
                    Teleworking is allowed at single agent stations. Not officially though. They just get very long leashes. Just as long as they answer phone calls and emails. Some agents 'telework' entire careers. May you be one of the blessed few.

                    Teleworking is frowned upon at RAC offices (where the boss is). You're to be at the office ten hours a day five days a week, making felony cases from your desk (that's the new direction, in case you haven't heard). Your dogbreath boss will be sitting there, like a hawk, always at the ready to meddle in your business or insult you. Odds are the boss was no casemaker as an agent but did spend 23 months at HQ, which means they've been officially coronated and you're just a peon to pee on. Your boss may be looking to make a name for themselves with upper management and because they are fundamentally lazy and you're right there, you are low hanging fruit. You will be spending as much time keeping book on your boss as you are working on cases because your boss is keeping book on you. You can tell your ASAC how dysfunctional the situation is but it's like talking to a fifth of Johnnie Walker Red, ironic, because that's what he consumes every day. The SAC could not care less until lawsuits and EEO complaints get filed. HR is a total joke. Greatest job in LE!

                    Again, may you be one of the lucky few who get a single agent station because they mostly stay clear of all the crap....
                    JB Smoove commented
                    04-10-2019, 07:20 AM
                    "It is doable on a 12 salary, but difficult as hell on a 9. We hired a guy as a 9 for a position in SF and he was able to make it work somehow so it’s possible. I would imagine that there may be some folks that may back out if they are offered these positions if they weren’t on their preference sheet."

                    My question below....

                    In general with Fed Natural Resouce LE what is the best way to actually get your preferred duty station right from the start? Should you fill out the preference sheet stating you are flexible? Should you only select your top preferences? Will they be less likely to hire you if you show little flexibility?

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                    • In general with Fed Natural Resouce LE what is the best way to actually get your preferred duty station right from the start? Should you fill out the preference sheet stating you are flexible? Should you only select your top preferences? Will they be less likely to hire you if you show little flexibility?
                      Anything but absolute flexibility is frowned upon.

                      Some get their preferred location right off the bat.
                      Some get to their preferred location after a few years.
                      Some get closer to their preferred location at some point, as in the next state over.
                      Some never get where they want to be and accept it (or complain about it) for twenty years.

                      There is no foolproof methodology for getting to a preferred location; it's usually a matter of random luck, timing, convergence of stars, divine intervention, or stroking the right egos.

                      Now, there is one way it can be done that's not exactly officially recognized but tried and true: go ham. Not a little ham, but full throttle, 100 megaton explosion ham. Destroy all crucial relationships, internal and external. Become so despised the USAO won't return phone calls. Become hated by subordinates, peers, and SACs. The worst that will happen? A quick shuffle to an open spot of your choice, often a location others have been dreaming about, because no one will care about the people scratching their heads, wondering why the station they worked so hard to compete for abruptly and quietly got filled...


                      The problem is- we give up too easily.

                      -Thomas Edison

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                      • Originally posted by Ratatatat View Post

                        Anything but absolute flexibility is frowned upon.

                        Some get their preferred location right off the bat.
                        Some get to their preferred location after a few years.
                        Some get closer to their preferred location at some point, as in the next state over.
                        Some never get where they want to be and accept it (or complain about it) for twenty years.

                        There is no foolproof methodology for getting to a preferred location; it's usually a matter of random luck, timing, convergence of stars, divine intervention, or stroking the right egos.

                        Now, there is one way it can be done that's not exactly officially recognized but tried and true: go ham. Not a little ham, but full throttle, 100 megaton explosion ham. Destroy all crucial relationships, internal and external. Become so despised the USAO won't return phone calls. Become hated by subordinates, peers, and SACs. The worst that will happen? A quick shuffle to an open spot of your choice, often a location others have been dreaming about, because no one will care about the people scratching their heads, wondering why the station they worked so hard to compete for abruptly and quietly got filled...

                        Thank you for the information.

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                        • Good morning,

                          I finally received an update from this posting almost a year later....and have some questions for anyone that applied or can input their .02
                          Why does the line state "The hiring official has completed a review of the applications referred and no selections have been made for this vacancy." ? Did they not hire from this posting, since there were 2 postings at the same time.
                          Any help is greatly appreciated.
                          Last edited by Lawndart32; Today, 07:54 AM.

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                          • It means they liked the people on one of the two certificate of eligibles more, and only hired off that cert. You sir, were on the other cert!


                            When it comes to HR stuff, they play fast and loose with the rules to get they want. Part of the reason why the level of dysfunction is what it is....
                            The problem is- we give up too easily.

                            -Thomas Edison

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