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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ratatatat View Post
    And just wait until you get a load of many of your co-workers. Tip of the spear, my arse. Eye yie yie how do some of these people ever get selected...
    With all the land management law enforcement agencies that offer LE positions, you should put into perspective a solidified ranking system of best to worst in regard to upper echelon management, on the ground support, etc. Lets take GS Level pay out of the equation and consider a universal look at the uniformed and agent divisions of these branches. Might as well add NOAA and EPA into the mix.

    Having been around a few and currently working for one I can certainly understand your sentiments, not to mention some of the entertainment value therein. But, getting into the true nitty gritty, would it not suffice to say that all law enforcement, especially federal law enforcement is a "power structure," where individuals protect the system in place? Having worked out of land management previously, I experienced similar structures at play, if not more inept and more deviant versions. Perhaps I am blinded by symbiotic freedom of driving around endlessly in the wilderness with management never in contact with me to see what is going on. If that is the case, maybe ignorance is bliss?

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    • #47
      Ryan Zinke to resign as interior secretary

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...d-year-n948361

      That's fine but what are we supposed to do with all our Ryan Zinke challenge coins??

      Zinke_Challenge_Coin.jpg
      One day, lad, this will all be yours.

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      • #48
        Exhibit E from U.S. District Court case 1:18-cv-00162-SPW-TJC. An absolute MUST READ for any doe-eyed applicant about what they're getting themselves into.
        Last edited by Ratatatat; 12-28-2018, 01:05 PM.
        One day, lad, this will all be yours.

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        • Zoom_32
          Zoom_32 commented
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          Holy ****!!!! I read some of the exhibits and skimmed over others. That is crazy. I even entertained the idea of coming over from DHS if an opportunity opened up. And I thought we were dysfunctional.

        • LouisianaK9Cop
          LouisianaK9Cop commented
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          Wow! I'm also coming from DHS as an 1811, and now I'm seriously thinking twice if the opportunity presents itself. I thought FWS was where I wanted to be, but that's pretty bad...even compared to what we see on the border.

        • Ratatatat
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          It's a total disgrace and national embarrassment.

      • #49
        I'm guessing the shutdown has halted the hiring process.
        OUT!!

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        • #50
          I would guess so too. They email I got said we'd hear something this month if we continue but I bet it'll be pushed back now.

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          • #51
            Ratatatat, thanks for all your insight. A lot of what you describe I've heard from LEOs at California State Parks and the USFS where I currently work.

            I'm in my 5th season now with the FS as a non-LEO; a lot of what you say I can even apply to working in the non-LE side. I love the attorney advice... I got a huge kick out of that. The worst part is, after I stopped laughing I realized its not such a bad idea.



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            • #52
              Originally posted by wheresthebeef View Post
              I love the attorney advice... I got a huge kick out of that. The worst part is, after I stopped laughing I realized its not such a bad idea.

              I didn't advise to have an attorney on retainer to amuse you. I said it because I meant it.

              Keep in mind there is no union or ombudsman. HR is mostly a joke and the PRU is muscle used by management.

              Keep in mind upper management is very distant and feckless.

              Keep in mind some other dynamics- FWS is not an LE agency. Of 9,000 employees, 200 are agents. The rest are wildlife biologists and reality specialists and fish screen installers. Because LE is a small specialty niche, agents are fawned over by the non-LE ranks who think they are the Jason Bournes of wildlife LE. This results in massively inflated egos and distorted perceptions about roles and objectives.

              The result of all the above is a Lord of the Flies atmosphere, where sometimes it's the grossly unfit who get put in positions of power, and a management structure that protects itself, at nearly all cost. Amazing how some types of people thrive under such dynamics.

              There's only a couple of ways to handle a psycho manager who never should been hired in the first place. You can move to another duty station in another state or go to HQ. You can jump to another agency. Or you can play along best you can, for as long as you can. This will work for awhile but keep in mind psycho bosses love to invent chaos just to invent chaos, and since they control the narrative, at some point action is required to defend one's reputation, self-respect, and career. But there's where things can get tricky.

              Say you go to your ASAC, who is 600 miles away. But talking to him may be the same as talking to a bottle of Jim Beam, or about what he's drinking every day. His focus is definitely not you and your situation or solving problems in general.

              Say you elevate it to the SAC, also 600 miles away. You can expect indifference at best and at worst, a tacit warning, like "Now don't go filing an EEO complaint about your supervisor from Hell. I'd hate to see that impact your career." Translation: you will be dealt with if you make me address the problem.

              So what else is left? Really only thing: legal action.

              BUT: you need to have your ducks in a row. You need evidence. You need dates and times and exactly what happened. You need witnesses.

              You basically need to keep a file on the day in, day out actions of your manager. Keep in mind one is being kept on you, especially if you're an outsider.

              The only way to get relief, or to be 'made whole', or even keep your job, is the lawsuit option. And you can't base a lawsuit solely on memories.

              And when the dust settles, the most you'll see them do? Shuffle the kook to another state, same position.

              But- if not for the attorney, you'd be filing for unemployment benefits and standing in line at the food bank...


              One day, lad, this will all be yours.

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              • #53
                Has anyone heard anything?
                OUT!!

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                • LouisianaK9Cop
                  LouisianaK9Cop commented
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                  Nothing officially. The FWS guy I'm working with mentioned the bosses still went to DC during the shutdown to evaluate applications for interview selections.

              • #54
                This has taken quite sometime, at least to know if one was referred or not for an interview. I understand the shutdown delayed the process but still it has been almost 4 months now. Does anyone have any new news?

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                • HolyJumpingSTL
                  HolyJumpingSTL commented
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                  It's an 1811 hiring process. Four months is actually quick. Get used to waiting. I've been in a certain hiring process for over three years. AT LEAST 4 months between every step of the process. Not to mention USFW is an extremely small agency so it'll probably take even longer.

              • #55
                Just received NOR via email.

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                • #56
                  Was not not referred
                  OUT!!

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                  • #57
                    Y'all know the application panel was mostly kabuki theater, right? They pretty much have class rosters filled out before the announcement goes public...


                    Look at it this way: a non-referral means you won't have to suffer the largest, most unearned, egos in LE for the next 20 years.

                    One day, lad, this will all be yours.

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                    • #58
                      Wasnt referred aswell but no sweat. Im waiting for another job that i really want.

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