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  • Intel Background for 1811

    I am currently working as a Federal Police Officer (USSS/UD). I recently received an attractive offer for an Intel position with a company in DC related to watch listing. The job is higher paying/better work life balance than what I am currently receiving (anyone here who knows anything about UD knows exactly what I'm talking about).

    My goal has been, and likely always will be an 1811 position. I made it to phase II with the FBI last year and was bqa'd due to lack of experience. My question then is, would this Intel opportunity go further than my current position insofar as achieving that ultimate goal?

    For reference, I'm 27, have been with UD for just over 2 years and have a bachelor's and master's. No military exp.

  • #2
    Do you have 3 years+ professional work experience? If not then that is why the FBI probably bqa'd you. Listen with a bachelors, masters, and UD experience you are already a very good 1811 candidate. The decision is completely up to you to leave you current position, I can't say if an intel position would really help you in the long run for 1811. If I were in your position and had 2 years with UD already I would try out for some of their more specialised job positions and get experience from that rather than intel, just my 2 cents. Lastly apply for other 1811 positions in other agencies (USPIS, USSS, DEA, etc.).

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    • #3
      FBI is a different animal, from my experience you have to have what they are looking for. I had a degree and military and never made it to Phase 2. 3 years later, after collecting a desired/in demand skill, I got past it. They want STEM, Lawyers, criminal investigators, etc. Reach out and ask what they really need right now, focus on that, and reapply.

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      • chipperjones
        chipperjones commented
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        That's not true, I just have a degree and military and I got my PII . I feel like its more on your resume, and how well you can express what you did. If you were a cook in the mil then you probably wont get as much love as say, an intel guy.

        At the meet and greet the agents explained their background and none were crazy scientists or former Prosecutors. I even remember one chick had her degree in hotel management or something like that and worked at a Marriott, lol.

    • #4
      Stay in 6C. Shoot the FBI is open right now. Apply and see what happens.

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      • #5
        Nights and weekends off sounds attractive, I'm sure, but think about your long game....

        If your goal is 1811, then jumping over to intel doesn't really help. If anything, it's the opposite.

        The reason is because gun toters drive in one lane, intel in another. Switching lanes is like switching religions; it's not done on a whim, or without consequences.

        27 is young. Pay your dues with UD and you'll be in CITP before you know it....
        Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

        Hanlon's razor

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        • Gollywompas
          Gollywompas commented
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          This! Rat is spot on as usual.

        • Gollywompas
          Gollywompas commented
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          Also, HSI will be hiring soon, I hear tons of SS guys make the jump to ICE/HSI because its easy to move within DHS.. not sure how true that is but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take... I say apply for them and see what happens!

      • #6
        I say do what makes you happy and not what you think a particular agency is looking for. It took me almost 9 years to eventually land an 1811 position. Would you be happy doing another 5 to 10 years at UD? There are a lot of guys out there that take jobs and try to use them as a stepping stone and end up miserable. Those guys are all applying to the same jobs you are.

        You have to think about all the 1811s that are ALSO looking at some of the same jobs you are. HSI agents stuck on the border, DS agents sick of travel, disgruntled USSS. It's competitive out of there. Do what makes you happy and if it works out it works out. I enjoy my job but there is an allure out there about 1811 jobs that just doesn't jibe with reality.

        My advice for the day.

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        • #7
          My current 1811 gig had 4 UD guys, two who left UD direct and two who had UD time in the past. Just like BP, it is a good way into an 1811. I know UD life is tough but I think having more years of federal LE is more advantageous than just 2 years of LE time + intel
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          • #8
            Don't leave an actual LE gig that is also 6C to work at TSC as a contractor...or any contract intel position.

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            • battlewagon
              battlewagon commented
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              This is the big one for me. Leaving 6c is crazy to me. I have family in UD so I know it wears on you but 6c time is golden.

          • #9
            Take the intel job
            Otj

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            • #10
              Originally posted by backslash View Post
              Take the intel job
              You just want his job, admit it?

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              • #11
                Originally posted by scotty_appleton814 View Post

                You just want his job, admit it?
                Negative k

                Otj

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                • #12
                  If I could jump in and ask a similar question about taking a 6c offer as Federal Police or staying in a civilian position that would be much appreciated -

                  Quick run down of my background, 5 year Army veteran (5-pt), started in MI as a Linguist (DLPT in 4 critical languages) before I switched over to the Army's new shiny toy and became a Cyber Operations Specialist after a couple years at Ft. Meade. I originally wanted to enlist as an MP but the opportunity to get a TS/SCI/CI Poly + Language training + 3 letter agency experience was too hard to pass. I was going to drop CID SA packet but Army said hold on, you got a TS clearance already and you do cyber stuff at Meade already, how about a bonus and we send you to sunny Pensacola for 6 months to become a certified Cyber Analyst? Ok Army, sounds good. Anything to get out of this snow... I completed that Cyber course and got sent to follow-on training for the best IT/Cybersecurity courses on Uncle Sam's bill, and currently hold several top cyber field certifications.

                  Left active duty in December and now working as a DoD contractor cybersecurity analyst while I finish up my M.S. in Cybersecurity. I started applying to 1811 vacancy announcements last month but I know competition is fierce, and better qualified applicants than I don't get picked up sometimes. At the moment I have active applications with Capitol Police and USSS UD.

                  My question being: If I get an offer with one of those two (Capitol/UD), do I take the job for the 6c while I continue plugging away at 1811 announcements, or do I continue racking up experience/time doing what I do now, incident response/network intrusion/digital forensics? Will that make me more attractive as an applicant? Having trouble deciding what to do, I feel USSS UD and Capitol will both go very quickly and I will have to make a decision much sooner than I will before hearing back from USSS SA/HSI/DEA/NCIS. And if I take one of the Federal Police 6c positions, and I receive an SA offer during training, what would be the repercussions of dropping out to accept it? Would it make me persona non-grata and stigmatize me?

                  Don't mean to hijack the board but I have been weighing these thoughts in my head and received some feedback from a couple people, but I didn't want to create a whole new thread just dedicated to me.

                  If anyone has recommendations for an 1811 position I may not be aware of that could be a good match for my background, I would appreciate it. I know there are some smaller lesser known agencies that hire and are good places to be as well. Thanks

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                  • Gollywompas
                    Gollywompas commented
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                    I would say you are in a good place if you want to be a Cyber SA, my agency Air Force OSI has 1811s doing great things in cyber... probably wouldn't be to hard for you to lad an gig with them. Now, if you want to kick cyber and run drug cases/ CT/ violent crimes/ or whatever else.. i recommend getting some much needed LE experience.

                  • Bliskin
                    Bliskin commented
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                    I would stay with your current track and disregard non-1811 options. You are overqualified for the 1811 series and it's only a matter of time before you get picked up by one of the agencies. Your resume will get you to every agencies' first step after application and the rest is up to you. I've received offers from multiple agencies with just a bachelor's degree and less than 3 years of general federal work experience. Most of the stories of other overqualified people being turned down are due to any of the following: their failure to include all required application materials, poorly formatted/written resume, poor interview skills, or failing the written test, poly, or background.

                    FBI, NCIS, AFOSI, and USSS have great cyber investigations but getting into that jurisdiction may take time or is up to chance. If you're willing to forego the gun and badge, the NSA is the cream of the crop (unless you're already with them).

                    Capitol/UD will have you doing nothing but standing post with a 0% chance of utilizing your cyber skills. You obviously won't be able to go from UD to SA in the middle of academy and not only is it a bad look, but a guilt-filled hassle to drop out of training for another position. Getting OTJ with UD/Capitol and then leaving 3 months after for an 1811 offer isn't a good look either. The most recent USSS UD/SA postings include a continuing service agreement so if you leave UD, you will have to pay back training costs and will be blacklisted from the agency.
                    Last edited by Bliskin; 06-02-2018, 01:05 PM.

                  • Army_Cyber
                    Army_Cyber commented
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                    Gollywompas, I will keep an eye out for AFOSI, was not aware of your folks running cyber investigations. I do want to expand and not stay limited to cyber, so getting some LE experience is definitely something I have thought about. MPD in D.C. has a volunteer sworn officer program where you do the academy nights and weekends, and after 7 months you graduate and get full arrest authority and same gear/uniform as the full-time officers. If none of the 1811 applications work out I plan on staying a contractor doing cyber during the week and volunteering on the weekends as an MPD beat cop. They allow volunteers to work special assignments as well so that may be how I get that much needed LE experience to help me down the line at panels the second time around. Thanks for your input.

                    Bliskin, thanks for your feedback, you make some really great points and I completely blanked, you're right, the USSS announcements included the continuing service agreement clause. That is definitely a big factor to consider if I take the UD position. And thanks for sharing your experience as an applicant, I think I will sit back and wait for my shotgun applications for the main 1811 announcements to process and see how round 1 goes.

                • #13
                  NCIS loves people with a cyber background as they are attempting to grow their Cyber program. However, that being said you may have to work gen crim cases for a couple of years before being pulled over to the Cyber realm. That is just a possibility. They like to send new hires to the big offices where they get experience with sex assaults, basic criminal cases, etc before pulling agents over to the the specialized gigs. However, you have very valuable training... so I don’t know. FBI also has a big program. Regardless where you end up just be happy you have the skill sets you have. Your skills make you very valuable. My two cents for what it’s worth... keep working your contracting gig and apply to agencies that can be good for your skill set. Just my opinion. The 6c thing is only a big issue for those about to time out and I know a lot of miserable people that took a job just because it’s 6c.

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                  • Army_Cyber
                    Army_Cyber commented
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                    Great advice and thanks 1cowboy. I am a few months away from 30, and I have my active duty time so I guess freezing the clock isn't exactly a top priority yet, and I might regret taking a 6c job like you mentioned those people you know. I am definitely open to working gen crime cases if NCIS wants me to, I suspect it is the same for FBI, they like have well-rounded people and they cover so many statutes. I have always wanted to work CT/CI and knowing some sandbox languages I would hope will get me on cases like that someday. http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...135871988.html UC FBI CT stings like would be a dream to work, always incredibly impressed whenever I hear of these being successful. Thanks for your .02, definitely hearing back from most to stay put in contracting gig and plug away at 1811 announcements.

                • #14
                  Stay in Cyber, money is way better and it's a strongly growing field
                  Former Police Officer (Injured LOD)
                  USAF VETERAN 2004-2012
                  "The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day."-LTC Grossman
                  Emergency Services Dispatcher, APG MD

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