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  • Am I wasting my time?

    Greetings,

    I have been exploring the internet seeking some guidance and I found this website and am hoping someone can give me answers.

    I will try and be a clear as possible. I am a University of Baltimore student who will be graduating in May with a bachelor's degree in CJ studies. My ultimate goal is become a parole officer, however after some recent events I am unsure if this is even possible.

    To clarify; during my time at the Community College of Baltimore County I applied to the Baltimore City Police where I was dismissed during the background phase. Afterwards I was encouraged by a professor at the college to pursue a career as a parole officer.

    So I transferred to the University after I received my Associate's degree. This past month I decided to apply as a correctional officer. I did this because in Maryland the hiring for parole agents from the general public are few and far between. I was informed that a lot of people start as a correctional officer and then transfer to other positions.

    During the hiring process I again got to the background portion and was then disqualified. After this, I am reconcidering my choose for a career with these 2 disqualifications. If I am unable to pass a background check for a police or corrections officer, should I even apply as a parole officer?

    I have never been arrested, no drug charges or criminal charges. The only thing in my background that I could think of would be my military and credit score. To clarify; I was honorably discharged from the military for personality disorders. During my service I was unable to handle the stress from my job (Morse code interceptor/locator). When I came home I racked up a good bit of dept which I have been working on correcting the past 4 years.

    i am concered that the mistake I made in the military (joining too soon before I was mentally ready) has cut me off from any chance at my career choice. While I don't regret my service time, I do regret going in right out of high school, I wasn't mentally ready for the stress.

    Any comments, suggestions or advice are welcomed.
    Thank you.

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    Originally posted by SQU812240 View Post
    Greetings,

    I have been exploring the internet seeking some guidance and I found this website and am hoping someone can give me answers.

    I will try and be a clear as possible. I am a University of Baltimore student who will be graduating in May with a bachelor's degree in CJ studies. My ultimate goal is become a parole officer, however after some recent events I am unsure if this is even possible.

    To clarify; during my time at the Community College of Baltimore County I applied to the Baltimore City Police where I was dismissed during the background phase. Afterwards I was encouraged by a professor at the college to pursue a career as a parole officer.

    So I transferred to the University after I received my Associate's degree. This past month I decided to apply as a correctional officer. I did this because in Maryland the hiring for parole agents from the general public are few and far between. I was informed that a lot of people start as a correctional officer and then transfer to other positions.

    During the hiring process I again got to the background portion and was then disqualified. After this, I am reconcidering my choose for a career with these 2 disqualifications. If I am unable to pass a background check for a police or corrections officer, should I even apply as a parole officer?

    I have never been arrested, no drug charges or criminal charges. The only thing in my background that I could think of would be my military and credit score. To clarify; I was honorably discharged from the military for personality disorders. During my service I was unable to handle the stress from my job (Morse code interceptor/locator). When I came home I racked up a good bit of dept which I have been working on correcting the past 4 years.

    i am concered that the mistake I made in the military (joining too soon before I was mentally ready) has cut me off from any chance at my career choice. While I don't regret my service time, I do regret going in right out of high school, I wasn't mentally ready for the stress.

    Any comments, suggestions or advice are welcomed.
    Thank you.
    You're wasting your time. You won't find any agency willing to give you a badge and gun. You were discharged from the military for a personality disorder because you couldn't handle the stress of morse code. Being a cop is way more stressful than that. Does it make you a bad guy? No. Unsuitable for a career in law enforcement? Yes.

    Good luck.
    I make my living on Irish welfare.

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    • #3
      I would say maybe. Are you willing to work in another state? One in which officers do not carry? Are you willing to do in an internship in a PO office? Often if you can get your foot in the door and prove you can handle the job helps. I use to teach CJ and had a student with a few prior convictions and she was able to get a job in the CJ field, but it was a hard uphill battle.

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      • #4
        I always cringe when I see these types of posts. Complete strangers giving their version of events and the most private of details and asking if they can still get into law enforcement. No one knows your situation better than you sir, and it doesn't sound like we have all the facts. There are always 3 sides to a story. However, from what you described it doesn't sound like law enforcement is the right career for you. As someone else pointed out if you were discharged from the military because it was too stressful when afflicted with a personality disorder, how in God's name are you going to react when someone shoots at you or you get into a foot pursuit in a rough area? I know this is going to sound rough and maybe mean spirited, but it is not the intent. The intent is to give it to you straight based on the information you provided. This line of work is not for you, you are a liability to any agency who dares to give you a gun, badge, or puts you in stressful situations (i.e. supervising paroled violent criminals) . More importantly you would be a danger to the guy or girl next to you. Do yourself a favor and focus on something that is more suitable to your situation. Once again I am not trying to sound mean or come off like an a**hole but I feel whomever told you to look into parole as a possible opportunity gave you incredibly bad advice. Best of luck sir.

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        • #5
          I once had a direct supervisor with borderline personality disorder (there are different forms- his was the anti-social version. Yeah, lucky me.) Ironically, it worked out to his advantage; instead of recognizing his overt hostility as a character flaw, upper management saw it as an asset! As far as they were concerned, anger was strength, micro-management was accountability, and if anyone was on his s*** list, well, they probably did something to deserve it. Despite the obvious damage he was responsible for, upper management considered such approach as being "mission oriented." Well, perception is reality. This winner was a flaming ball of chaos who negatively impacted many lives and destroyed a few careers along his path of destruction. If you have that flavor of BPD, please save other LEOs the frustration of having to deal with it.

          That said, there are many famous people with BPD (see below) who, despite their issues, have had great success in their professions and live in big mansions and drive fancy cars. Point I'm making is don't let it stop you from accomplishing great things in life. Just know that it doesn't mesh with LE. The shameful example above is why.


          Amy Winehouse
          • Self-Injury
          • Shame
          • Volatile relationships
          • Substance abuse
          • Impulsive
          • Suicidal
          • Eating disorder

          2. Pete Doherty
          • Impulsive
          • Shame
          • Excessive anger
          • Volatile relationships

          3. Britney Spears
          • Excessive anger
          • Mood swings
          • Reckless behavior (i.e. driving)
          • Substance abuse
          • Eating disorder

          4. Courtney Love
          • Substance abuse
          • Excessive anger
          • Shame
          • Self injury
          • Possible eating disorder

          5. Lindsey Lohan
          • Reckless behavior (i.e. driving)
          • Substance abuse
          • Eating disorder
          • Promiscuous sex
          • Self injury

          6. Princess Diana
          • Eating disorder
          • Mood swings
          • Reckless behavior
          • Substance abuse
          • Possible self injury
          http://www.healthyplace.com/personal...lity-disorder/

          One day, lad, this will all be yours.

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          • #6
            I would say you are wasting your time. If Parole work is a passion, perhaps going into social work or some sort of counseler is an option, but you won't be hired in a sworn agency

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            • #7
              I am not looking for a job with a badge and a gun. Which is why I was looking as a parole agent in Maryland as agents in MD do not carry a firearm. I was 18 when I joined the service and have since then grown up and matured. I'm 34 and realize my past mistakes and was disappointed that a mistake I made in my past carried such a strong penality for my future.

              to be clear, my military training and atmosphere were fine. I had no trouble when doing combat training and excises. I had no issues dealing with the lifestyle and social norms and customs of basic military stress. The only thing that stressed me was my inability to complete my AMS training, I became frustrated that I was unable to advance after months of training and still unable to complete code at the required level.

              this was actually why I wanted to pursue a career as a parole agent, to help show parolees that not all is lost. They can still turn things around.

              I greatly appreciate all the responses above as they all help clarify and give me some perspective on my situation.
              Last edited by SQU812240; 02-13-2017, 01:56 PM.

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              • #8
                I would say it depends how severe your case of Personality Disorder was for the military discharge at 18 and if you exhibited ongoing symptoms throughout your time after the military up until now. Any psychiatrist can evaluate you and diagnose if it was a temporary youth problem or was not diagnosed correctly. I would say the Credit problem can hurt you more than anything for an LE job, if your credit is bad.

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                • #9
                  I was unaware I could go and have something like that evaluated. I will have to do some searching and see what I can do. I know my credit was bad when I left but I have been steadily working on it, I'm down to 1 account that still needs to be resolved but I've read that credit scores can last a long time.

                  thank you for this information.

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                  • #10
                    Just so everyone knows he probably doesn't actually have a personality disorder. A persons inability to adapt to rigors of military life lead to their administrative discharge. With the separation code classifying them as having a personality disorder. Military wins because they don't have to take care of the kid anymore, kid wins because he is not in the military anymore.

                    Drawback is any position with vetting (such as LE) is going to look at this as a legit diagnosis and an inability to operate under stress even though it was really just a desire to get out of the military any way possible.

                    You may want to consider another career field and or take a very low entry level position to get your foot in the door and go from there.

                    TDF

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                    • #11
                      Again, thanks to everyone for their replies. I have taken advice from some people on here and fellow veterans and have begun the filling of DD forum 293 to remove the "personality disorder" narrative reason for separation from my DD214. After talking with some counselors at the local VA center here they have determined that my history both prior and post military service do not show any signs of long-term maladaptive behavior patterns which is a standard diagnosis of "Personality Disorder"

                      The only time i was stressed and frustrated was during AIT. The representatives at the VA reviewed my Physical profile along with my ASVAB scores and found an error on military's part within my Line Scores. The MOS i was assigned to had a minimum qualification that I was no where near meeting. The minimum line score for 98H was atleast a 95 for ST line score, my ST was only 75. The representatives both believes this is why i became stressed and struggled during my AIT.

                      I have already started filling out the huge stack of papers they gave me at the VA for the removal. With any luck this will be resolved and I won't have to deal with this stigma again when applying for future jobs.

                      Again, thanks to everyone for their comments. Special thanks to BLUE STEEL for giving me the idea that got this whole event started.

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                      • #12
                        You were honorably discharged? How about medically discharged for mental health reasons. That sounds more realistic given the situation you presented.

                        Your rational now is that your "line score" was too low for the MOS you were given. Ok, whatever dude.

                        Go go ahead and push that idea that you were too dumb for your MOS, and that gave you a personality disorder. Should win over all your future employers in LE.

                        Yes, you are wasting your time dude, and all of ours.

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                        • #13
                          Yes, I was honorably discharged, not med boarded.If if would please you can upload a copy of my DD214, seeing how your so skeptical. My line scores are nothing more then 1 part to dispute my "personality disorder" to the review boards. I never said it gave me a disorder, this was something my VA rep's pointed out to me.

                          Just to help you, a "personality disorder" is defined by the military AR 635-200 para 5-13 as;
                          "1. The condition shows a deeply ingrained maladaptive pattern of behavior of long duration;
                          2. The maladaptive behavior interferes with your ability to perform duty;
                          3. A diagnosis was made by a psychiatrist or doctoral-level clinical psychologist with necessary and appropriate professional credentials who is permitted to conduct mental health evaluations for Department of Defense (DOD) components.
                          4. The diagnosis concludes that the disorder is so severe that your ability to function effectively in the military environment is significantly impaired.
                          5. You have been formally counseled concerning deficiencies and have been afforded ample opportunity to overcome those deficiencies as reflected in appropriate counseling or personnel records."

                          Out of these 5 areas, all of them are disputable based upon documents and paperwork from my military service records and supporting evidence after my time.

                          If you feel this forum is wasting your time, then by all means, go else where. Everyone who has commented here has offered up their perspective in a manner that is helpful and insightful, yours is neither.
                          Last edited by SQU812240; 02-19-2017, 03:53 PM.

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                          • #14
                            If you are truly interested I concur with lower positions, to help boost consistency in a more recent record. (i.e. security officer, casino security, etc.) Gaining references and showing a pattern of success dealing with stressful situations and the general public. You may find that you have matured and can handle it, or you may find these to be difficult. In either case, knowing ones self is key to victory.

                            We all have issues with professions we want to get into. I have had some difficulty with color vision, for example. While my current agency and most federal agencies are more realistic in regards to severity the CHP were not. With a little research, a person can see if they are a good fit or not. Needless to say, a good law enforcement officer for one type of law enforcement may not be suited for another type of law enforcement.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SQU812240 View Post
                              Yes, I was honorably discharged, not med boarded.If if would please you can upload a copy of my DD214, seeing how your so skeptical. My line scores are nothing more then 1 part to dispute my "personality disorder" to the review boards. I never said it gave me a disorder, this was something my VA rep's pointed out to me.

                              Just to help you, a "personality disorder" is defined by the military AR 635-200 para 5-13 as;
                              "1. The condition shows a deeply ingrained maladaptive pattern of behavior of long duration;
                              2. The maladaptive behavior interferes with your ability to perform duty;
                              3. A diagnosis was made by a psychiatrist or doctoral-level clinical psychologist with necessary and appropriate professional credentials who is permitted to conduct mental health evaluations for Department of Defense (DOD) components.
                              4. The diagnosis concludes that the disorder is so severe that your ability to function effectively in the military environment is significantly impaired.
                              5. You have been formally counseled concerning deficiencies and have been afforded ample opportunity to overcome those deficiencies as reflected in appropriate counseling or personnel records."

                              Out of these 5 areas, all of them are disputable based upon documents and paperwork from my military service records and supporting evidence after my time.

                              If you feel this forum is wasting your time, then by all means, go else where. Everyone who has commented here has offered up their perspective in a manner that is helpful and insightful, yours is neither.
                              I actually took the time to research this because I have never heard of a honorable discharge for a personality disorder. It essentially indicates that you tapped out to get an early discharge instead of sucking it up and completing your obligation. And you tapped out with underlying argument that you had preexsisting mental health issues. And the AR you cite actually makes it sound like a very significant mental health issue.

                              LE is filled with vets who completed their military obligations and sucked it up when things got tough. They will likely view your situation as you being a quitter with a documented mental health issue. That is going to be quite a hurdle to overcome.

                              Thanks for the counseling though, I will remember to be more insightful and helpful to you in the future. I can be brash and unsensentive at times, which I imagine would be upsetting to someone with delicate sensibilities. I blame it on my military service as an infantryman with numerous combat tours and my time as a LEO. I am an *******, and I have worked hard to earn that distinction.

                              Are you wasting your time? Yeah, probably. Especially with the VA and their **** house lawyers. Do whatever you want, just don't go around uploading your DD-214 on the internet.

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