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  • Originally posted by merlin436 View Post
    Maybe.

    I'd say the average CBPO would do better or no worse. Many who have good at the moment would probably want to keep the status quo.

    One thing about a journeyman upgrade....it all goes towards retirement creditable income. Not so with all overtime or other premium pay.
    Speaking of retirement,... I read you have to do 20 years to get your retirement. I hear you are out at 57 (hence the 37 age limit to get in). However, I have an age waiver, so I will not have 20 years at age 57. Do you know how that would work for me? Do I not get a retirement, because I get kicked out at 57 and don't get my 20 years? is the 20 year requirement waived? Do I get to stay in as many years late as were waived to get in late (which would seem to open a legal option for others wanting to stay in past 57)? If you don't know, do you know who I can ask? One of my major reasons for doing this is the retirement, so I've really been wondering. Thanks.
    SM3

    CBPO

    14-2
    Geo: Central East Coast, United States
    Grade: GS-7
    CBPO Exam: 9/16/2014
    NOR: 10/31/2014 - 110 (with Veteran's points)
    TSL: 11/18/2014
    Medical/PFT 1: 12/17/2014
    01/06/15 VBT/SI
    01/07/15 NOR for SI found "eligible"
    03/06/15 Poly- Scheduled

    Good luck to everyone, this is not easy. I know good people that have not made it through the process. Let's all do our best to support and help each other through the process. I hope we all make it!

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    • If your waiver is due to being prior military you'll likely get the boot after the minimum 20 years of service.

      Many, if not most current CBPOs face no mandated retirement. Lot's of us will be here after 57 years of age.

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      • Originally posted by merlin436 View Post
        If your waiver is due to being prior military you'll likely get the boot after the minimum 20 years of service.

        Many, if not most current CBPOs face no mandated retirement. Lot's of us will be here after 57 years of age.
        I love the federal government. Mandate something, then exempt a large majority of people from said mandate.
        Florida/Caribbean 14-2 -- GS-07

        07/14 Applied to Florida/Caribbean 14-2
        08/14 Notified: qualification to take exam
        09/13/14 Written exam
        10/31/14 NOR 100 (No Vet Points)
        1/9/15 Notice of TS / Grade:GS-07
        2/4/15 Physical Exam and PFT1 PASSED
        2/6/15 Background Released to IA
        2/18/15 VBT/SI (Tampa) PASSED
        4/14/15 Polygraph (Tampa)
        4/30/15 Notified of unsuitable polygraph and removed from consideration

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        • If they say they kick you out at 57, do benefits start at that age or do you have to wait almost a decade?

          Also, if you are in a supervisory position, does the required retirement age increase?
          Florida/Caribbean 14-2 -- GS-07

          07/14 Applied to Florida/Caribbean 14-2
          08/14 Notified: qualification to take exam
          09/13/14 Written exam
          10/31/14 NOR 100 (No Vet Points)
          1/9/15 Notice of TS / Grade:GS-07
          2/4/15 Physical Exam and PFT1 PASSED
          2/6/15 Background Released to IA
          2/18/15 VBT/SI (Tampa) PASSED
          4/14/15 Polygraph (Tampa)
          4/30/15 Notified of unsuitable polygraph and removed from consideration

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          • For current CBPO,

            What is the fitness requirement at FLETC? Don't you have to take 3 fitness tests during the academy?

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            • Originally posted by Mike924 View Post
              I love the federal government. Mandate something, then exempt a large majority of people from said mandate.

              Well...prior military is one thing.

              Any CBPO hired prior to 2008 is not subject to mandated retirement because the position didn't require mandated retirement prior to 2008.
              They changed the rules and elected to enhance the retirement provisions back then. That was the jump from the standard 30 year retirement to 12D 20 year retirement.

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              • Originally posted by merlin436 View Post
                Well...prior military is one thing.

                Any CBPO hired prior to 2008 is not subject to mandated retirement because the position didn't require mandated retirement prior to 2008.
                They changed the rules and elected to enhance the retirement provisions back then. That was the jump from the standard 30 year retirement to 12D 20 year retirement.
                If there was one quote I remember from the military it was, "suggested mandatory training."

                I just want to be clear on what you are saying though. They moved retirement from 30 to 20 years, meaning you can CHOOSE to retire after 20 instead of 30, correct?
                Florida/Caribbean 14-2 -- GS-07

                07/14 Applied to Florida/Caribbean 14-2
                08/14 Notified: qualification to take exam
                09/13/14 Written exam
                10/31/14 NOR 100 (No Vet Points)
                1/9/15 Notice of TS / Grade:GS-07
                2/4/15 Physical Exam and PFT1 PASSED
                2/6/15 Background Released to IA
                2/18/15 VBT/SI (Tampa) PASSED
                4/14/15 Polygraph (Tampa)
                4/30/15 Notified of unsuitable polygraph and removed from consideration

                Comment


                • Originally posted by geek4life View Post
                  For current CBPO,

                  What is the fitness requirement at FLETC? Don't you have to take 3 fitness tests during the academy?
                  Yes, there are three. The first two are graded, but they won't get you sent home if you don't meet the minimum. The 3rd one is the one you MUST pass.

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                  • Originally posted by 66Pony View Post
                    Yes, there are three. The first two are graded, but they won't get you sent home if you don't meet the minimum. The 3rd one is the one you MUST pass.
                    Thanks for the reply.

                    Do you know what's the requirement in order to pass the fitness test at FLETC?

                    Is it the same as the PFT2? 17 pushups in 1 minute, 25 situps in 1 minute, 1.5 mile run in 17 minutes 15 seconds, 220 yards run in 50 seconds or less

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                    • Originally posted by geek4life View Post
                      Thanks for the reply.

                      Do you know what's the requirement in order to pass the fitness test at FLETC?

                      Is it the same as the PFT2? 17 pushups in 1 minute, 25 situps in 1 minute, 1.5 mile run in 17 minutes 15 seconds, 220 yards run in 50 seconds or less
                      The graduation standards are not like the PFT2. As a matter of fact you don't do any situps. You must complete the 1 1/2 run in 15 minutes or less (that's EXACTLY 15 mins, NOT 15 mins and 1 sec), 220 yard run in 45 seconds or less, minimum of 24 proper form pushups in 1 minute, and at least 12 1/2 inch extension on the sit and reach (no bouncing). IIRC you get the best of 2 attempts on the sit and reach. This is the same test you will take 2 times prior to the final.

                      For those that think they can't do at least 24 pushups in 1 minute, a classmate did 61 during the 2nd test (and he was 42 years old). Not to be out done, another classmate did 72 (...yes, 72!!), during the final.

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                      • Originally posted by 66Pony View Post
                        The graduation standards are not like the PFT2. As a matter of fact you don't do any situps. You must complete the 1 1/2 run in 15 minutes or less (that's EXACTLY 15 mins, NOT 15 mins and 1 sec), 220 yard run in 45 seconds or less, minimum of 24 proper form pushups in 1 minute, and at least 12 1/2 inch extension on the sit and reach (no bouncing). IIRC you get the best of 2 attempts on the sit and reach. This is the same test you will take 2 times prior to the final.

                        For those that think they can't do at least 24 pushups in 1 minute, a classmate did 61 during the 2nd test (and he was 42 years old). Not to be out done, another classmate did 72 (...yes, 72!!), during the final.
                        In my pft1 I did 46 pushups ... the lady let me go... But I almost failed my step couldn't catch my breath :S I am working now on my running I screwed up my Achilles's tendon I think I over did it ... I hope it will get better before my BI is all done...

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                        • Originally posted by SM3 View Post
                          Speaking of retirement,... I read you have to do 20 years to get your retirement. I hear you are out at 57 (hence the 37 age limit to get in). However, I have an age waiver, so I will not have 20 years at age 57. Do you know how that would work for me? Do I not get a retirement, because I get kicked out at 57 and don't get my 20 years? is the 20 year requirement waived? Do I get to stay in as many years late as were waived to get in late (which would seem to open a legal option for others wanting to stay in past 57)? If you don't know, do you know who I can ask? One of my major reasons for doing this is the retirement, so I've really been wondering. Thanks.
                          I waited to chime in on your question until I had a chance to ask my wife. Ugggghhh. I'm sorry I asked her, my head now hurts. She's been with the Fed for 27 years and has worked for a number of agencies including legacy Customs. One of her main specialties is processing retirements.

                          The basic answer is that entry into service with a waiver means specialized processing when it comes to retirements. That's due to every person on a waiver will fall under different requirements/circumstances in order to accurately calculate your age and benefit amount. I know, it's an answer that isn't an answer. Welcome to the government!

                          It's a convoluted system that has a TON of variables...hence my head hurting after she tried to explain it to me! If you want an accurate answer based on YOUR particulars, once hired ask your MSS (Mission Support Specialist), and get them to calculate it for you (and hope they're competent in figuring retirements!).
                          Last edited by 66Pony; 02-14-2015, 10:05 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Mike924 View Post
                            If there was one quote I remember from the military it was, "suggested mandatory training."

                            I just want to be clear on what you are saying though. They moved retirement from 30 to 20 years, meaning you can CHOOSE to retire after 20 instead of 30, correct?

                            Standard FERS retirement is 30 years.

                            The minimum for CBPOs is a actually 20 year retirement at age 50 and above and 25 year retirement at any age. 1.7% towards retirement for the first 20 years...1% for each year after. 1% for military buyback time. 1% for standard federal time. Mandated retirement at 57...with exceptions.
                            Veterans coming in after the age of 37 are age waivered until they reach 20 years of service. Whether they could stay longer...who knows? Nobody has gotten there yet to make a challenge.
                            CBPOs on board prior to 2008 have no mandated retirement...they can stay until death...if they so choose. However, it's the odd CBPO that stays much beyond age 65 or 70...past or present...especially in the present.

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                            • Originally posted by 66Pony View Post
                              I waited to chime in on your question until I had a chance to ask my wife. Ugggghhh. I'm sorry I asked her, my head now hurts. She's been with the Fed for 27 years and has worked for a number of agencies including legacy Customs. One of her main specialties is processing retirements.

                              The basic answer is that entry into service with a waiver means specialized processing when it comes to retirements. That's due to every person on a waiver will fall under different requirements/circumstances in order to accurately calculate your age and benefit amount. I know, it's an answer that isn't an answer. Welcome to the government!

                              It's a convoluted system that has a TON of variables...hence my head hurting after she tried to explain it to me! If you want an accurate answer based on YOUR particulars, once hired ask your MSS (Mission Support Specialist), and get them to calculate it for you (and hope they're competent in figuring retirements!).
                              1st- thank you for asking her and relying. 2nd- I am great at calculating retirements :-). 3rd I guess, being so complicated, I will rephrase the question. If I enter on an age waiver, and don't have 20 years at age 57, somehow, I will still be able to get a retirement (whether it's extra years I get to serve, a make-up provision, a proportioned retirement, or whatever), right? I will not have to forfeit retirement, just figure out what they want me to do to get it and how it is changed?
                              SM3

                              CBPO

                              14-2
                              Geo: Central East Coast, United States
                              Grade: GS-7
                              CBPO Exam: 9/16/2014
                              NOR: 10/31/2014 - 110 (with Veteran's points)
                              TSL: 11/18/2014
                              Medical/PFT 1: 12/17/2014
                              01/06/15 VBT/SI
                              01/07/15 NOR for SI found "eligible"
                              03/06/15 Poly- Scheduled

                              Good luck to everyone, this is not easy. I know good people that have not made it through the process. Let's all do our best to support and help each other through the process. I hope we all make it!

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                              • Originally posted by abejjani View Post
                                In my pft1 I did 46 pushups ... the lady let me go... But I almost failed my step couldn't catch my breath :S I am working now on my running I screwed up my Achilles's tendon I think I over did it ... I hope it will get better before my BI is all done...
                                lol, I was practicing two weeks ag, and I guess I over did the sprint. I felt fine, but after sit-ups and push-ups, I pulled a hammie on the run. I thought it got better, but we just had a power outage. I was setting up my generator and pulled it again. I'm a little worried, but should be fine. Misery loves company, but we will be both be fine I'm sure. ice and stretch,... ice and stretch :-)
                                SM3

                                CBPO

                                14-2
                                Geo: Central East Coast, United States
                                Grade: GS-7
                                CBPO Exam: 9/16/2014
                                NOR: 10/31/2014 - 110 (with Veteran's points)
                                TSL: 11/18/2014
                                Medical/PFT 1: 12/17/2014
                                01/06/15 VBT/SI
                                01/07/15 NOR for SI found "eligible"
                                03/06/15 Poly- Scheduled

                                Good luck to everyone, this is not easy. I know good people that have not made it through the process. Let's all do our best to support and help each other through the process. I hope we all make it!

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