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  • Pencil me in as a Panglossian pessimist when it comes to the agency. Somewhere in between the Polyannaish and the despondent.

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    • Originally posted by merlin436 View Post
      Pencil me in as a Panglossian pessimist when it comes to the agency. Somewhere in between the Polyannaish and the despondent.

      Here's 3 Dollars. Glad I can just google words rather than bust out the old dictionary.
      CBPO:
      Test- 05/12
      NOR- 08/12 (95- w/5 point vet pref)
      TSL1/2-08/12
      PFT1/Med-09/12
      VBT/SI-10/12
      Poly-11/12
      BI-12/12
      TSU-01/24/13
      1st "Call"-02/26/13- 30 day referral for a better selection

      OCSO:
      Applied- 06/12
      PFT-07/12
      CJBAT- 12/12
      Panel Interview- 01/13
      BI- in process

      FBI
      Phase two: probably never

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      • Hello, One question why you had to re take the polygrapgh ?

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        • Hello,One question after you took the polygraph how did you know you passed, because of the examiner told you, or you received a letter sayiong you passed or an email ? Please let me know.

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          • Firebug:

            Yes, there are CBPOs working with and assigned to other agencies in the field, but guess what? Those CBPOs probably have at least 10+ years of experience. The guy at my port who had a gig like that had 20 yrs in.

            Who wants to wait 10 or more years to get a gig like that while standing on your feet 16 hrs a day and doing the same routine over and over again?

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            • Originally posted by hangman View Post
              Firebug:

              Yes, there are CBPOs working with and assigned to other agencies in the field, but guess what? Those CBPOs probably have at least 10+ years of experience. The guy at my port who had a gig like that had 20 yrs in.

              Who wants to wait 10 or more years to get a gig like that while standing on your feet 16 hrs a day and doing the same routine over and over again?
              I think that all the CBPO applicants are professionals, and intelligent people (). CBPO is like another job where you have to improve your knowledge and be prepared to be better every day. If you don't care and don't take any other training, you will be there as a pole... If I have the opportunity, I won't be there asking the same question over and over for long time, I promise myself that I swear....
              Last edited by Shark; 01-21-2013, 09:42 AM.
              Geo:SWB
              CBPO Exam:12/10
              TSl: 5/11
              Medical & Pft1:9/11 Passed
              Met BI:1/12
              VBT/SI:10/11 Passed
              Drug Test:04/12 Passed
              Qual:cleared 3/12
              Polygraph: Scheduled 11/23/12
              PFT2:
              EOD:

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              • Shark:

                Why don't you make it through the academy and probation before you start commenting on what you think you are going to do.
                Last edited by hangman; 01-21-2013, 08:21 PM.

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                • Originally posted by hangman View Post
                  Firebug:

                  Yes, there are CBPOs working with and assigned to other agencies in the field, but guess what? Those CBPOs probably have at least 10+ years of experience. The guy at my port who had a gig like that had 20 yrs in.

                  Who wants to wait 10 or more years to get a gig like that while standing on your feet 16 hrs a day and doing the same routine over and over again?
                  This is what makes the current applicant pool is very disappointing. I am not even talking about CBPO applicant pool. I am taking applicants for all emergency service type jobs be it law enforcement, fire service, or EMS. The applicant gets hired and comes into the work environment with the attitude I don't want to work weekends, holidays, or mids. I want that day shift Monday thru Friday gig and by the way I want to go straight to SWAT, Detective, fill in the blank specialty crew.

                  It doesn't work that way. It takes at minimum three years to become close to proficient in this job. It takes about another three years after that to become really good at it and then it depends on the activity level of the location you are at it could take longer. I don't want the guy who has three years in on the specialty team that I am working. He does not know his job well enough and would be a liability.

                  If you are spending your time correctly, you should be learning your craft from doing the same routine over and over again. You seem to believe you should not have to put your time in like all the other officers before you. You also have a warped perception of the realities of law enforcement work. Overtime is a part of the law enforcement equation. It doesn't matter if you are local, state or federal. You will be working forced overtime. For the local brothers many times it is out of financial necessity because most are not making anywhere near what you will be making. In many, cases you will make more in overtime than what their yearly salary is. As for your Federal counterparts, do you think they get leap and auo for nothing? Those guys working with leap are putting in way more hours than they are getting compensated for. I will also let you in on a secret that I discovered working day in and day out with these folks. A lot of the job with any investigative agency involves a lot of the same routine over and over again. I can't tell you the amount of hours and hours I have spent sitting in a car just watching a house with absolutely nothing going on. I would take standing in the port over that any day. Cars are uncomfortable and there is no one to give you a break. Many Special Agents, especially in the HSI office I work at, started their careers in CBP and many would like to come back. The reasons that they give are, wait for it, better predictable schedule (go figure), better management (didn't believe it until I worked in their office), and most of all they feel that leap takes advantage of them and they work for free. To some extent that is true. However, they don't want to have to go back to the academy and move yet again.

                  I have been in a while and quite frankly I am tired of hearing the whining that comes for some not all of new officers. If you don't like the job, than quit. No one is forcing you to stay in the agency. If you are not going to quit then shut up and be part of the solution. Many times the new officer is just as bad as or worse than the retiree that treats this job like just a paycheck to supplement their other pension. That is because neither one treats the job as a professional career choice. You should be acting like a professional. A professional spends his time learning his craft. A professional does not spend his time just punching the clock and passing time because he doesn't believe want he is doing is important. If you believe you are just standing around doing the same routine over and over again I guarantee that you are missing things.

                  FB

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                  • Originally posted by hangman View Post
                    Shark:

                    Why don't you make it through the academy and probation before you start commenting and what you think you are going to do.
                    I have to tell you I much rather have someone with Sharks attitude working for me than someone that believes that he is just putting time in and doesn't seem to see the law enforcement importance and aspect of his job.

                    FB

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                    • Any job is what you make it to be. I used to be an agricultural specialist Technician at JFK airpost back in 2002 and I would gladly go back if I got offered to come back. Do you ask the same questions? Most times yeah, but everybody is different and most people give different answers. I learned a lot about a lot of things while I was there. The only reason why I even left was b/c it was a limited appointment position. Somebody made a good point and said that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Anyway, you can always find something that you don't like at any job you work at. I think a job like this is a blessing and doesn't come around for most people. I would honestly rather take this job than a street cop position anyway. I have a wife and kids and I would like to know that I am going to come home safe every night as opposed to a duty cop who doesn't know what kind of danger they can be in on any given night.
                      Geo:SWB
                      CBPO Exam:08/2/11
                      TSl 1 & 2: 11/14/11 & 11/25/11
                      Medical & Pft1:12/10/11 Passed
                      VBT/SI: 5/10/12 Passed
                      Drug Test: 7/12/12 Passed
                      Qual: (GS-7) Cleared 8/12/12
                      Poly 1 & 2: 9/26/12 & 11/8/12 Passed
                      BI: Met investigator on 12/6 Complete on 3/26/13
                      TSU: 3/28/13
                      EOD: 8/12/13 (Brownsville, TX)
                      FLETC: 9/13/13

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                      • Originally posted by hangman View Post
                        Shark:

                        Why don't you make it through the academy and probation before you start commenting and what you think you are going to do.
                        It is just a personal opinion, and ".. What I am going to do...." is about planning... and a plan is something that happen before....
                        Geo:SWB
                        CBPO Exam:12/10
                        TSl: 5/11
                        Medical & Pft1:9/11 Passed
                        Met BI:1/12
                        VBT/SI:10/11 Passed
                        Drug Test:04/12 Passed
                        Qual:cleared 3/12
                        Polygraph: Scheduled 11/23/12
                        PFT2:
                        EOD:

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                        • Originally posted by Firebug View Post
                          I have to tell you I much rather have someone with Sharks attitude working for me than someone that believes that he is just putting time in and doesn't seem to see the law enforcement importance and aspect of his job.

                          FB
                          Thanks FB... What I am trying to say is that we need to be prepared for our future and we have to build it while working.......
                          Geo:SWB
                          CBPO Exam:12/10
                          TSl: 5/11
                          Medical & Pft1:9/11 Passed
                          Met BI:1/12
                          VBT/SI:10/11 Passed
                          Drug Test:04/12 Passed
                          Qual:cleared 3/12
                          Polygraph: Scheduled 11/23/12
                          PFT2:
                          EOD:

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                          • Originally posted by Pointman8 View Post
                            Any job is what you make it to be. I used to be an agricultural specialist Technician at JFK airpost back in 2002 and I would gladly go back if I got offered to come back. Do you ask the same questions? Most times yeah, but everybody is different and most people give different answers. I learned a lot about a lot of things while I was there. The only reason why I even left was b/c it was a limited appointment position. Somebody made a good point and said that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Anyway, you can always find something that you don't like at any job you work at. I think a job like this is a blessing and doesn't come around for most people. I would honestly rather take this job than a street cop position anyway. I have a wife and kids and I would like to know that I am going to come home safe every night as opposed to a duty cop who doesn't know what kind of danger they can be in on any given night.
                            I like the post. I do want to give you a bit of advice though. One of the biggest problems with the type of law enforcement job that we are working is complacency. Please, approach this job exactly the same way that the local "duty cop" approaches his. You also don't know what kind of danger you can be in on any given night either. While true, the likelihood is certainly less that in itself can make the outcome much worse because it is not expected by you or your co-workers.

                            FB

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                            • Originally posted by hangman View Post
                              Shark:

                              Why don't you make it through the academy and probation before you start commenting and what you think you are going to do.
                              How about everyone that tells people to avoid this organization quit so slots can open up for people that actually do want to do it. just sayin...

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                              • Originally posted by Firebug View Post
                                This is what makes the current applicant pool is very disappointing. I am not even talking about CBPO applicant pool. I am taking applicants for all emergency service type jobs be it law enforcement, fire service, or EMS. The applicant gets hired and comes into the work environment with the attitude I don't want to work weekends, holidays, or mids. I want that day shift Monday thru Friday gig and by the way I want to go straight to SWAT, Detective, fill in the blank specialty crew.

                                It doesn't work that way. It takes at minimum three years to become close to proficient in this job. It takes about another three years after that to become really good at it and then it depends on the activity level of the location you are at it could take longer. I don't want the guy who has three years in on the specialty team that I am working. He does not know his job well enough and would be a liability.

                                If you are spending your time correctly, you should be learning your craft from doing the same routine over and over again. You seem to believe you should not have to put your time in like all the other officers before you. You also have a warped perception of the realities of law enforcement work. Overtime is a part of the law enforcement equation. It doesn't matter if you are local, state or federal. You will be working forced overtime. For the local brothers many times it is out of financial necessity because most are not making anywhere near what you will be making. In many, cases you will make more in overtime than what their yearly salary is. As for your Federal counterparts, do you think they get leap and auo for nothing? Those guys working with leap are putting in way more hours than they are getting compensated for. I will also let you in on a secret that I discovered working day in and day out with these folks. A lot of the job with any investigative agency involves a lot of the same routine over and over again. I can't tell you the amount of hours and hours I have spent sitting in a car just watching a house with absolutely nothing going on. I would take standing in the port over that any day. Cars are uncomfortable and there is no one to give you a break. Many Special Agents, especially in the HSI office I work at, started their careers in CBP and many would like to come back. The reasons that they give are, wait for it, better predictable schedule (go figure), better management (didn't believe it until I worked in their office), and most of all they feel that leap takes advantage of them and they work for free. To some extent that is true. However, they don't want to have to go back to the academy and move yet again.

                                I have been in a while and quite frankly I am tired of hearing the whining that comes for some not all of new officers. If you don't like the job, than quit. No one is forcing you to stay in the agency. If you are not going to quit then shut up and be part of the solution. Many times the new officer is just as bad as or worse than the retiree that treats this job like just a paycheck to supplement their other pension. That is because neither one treats the job as a professional career choice. You should be acting like a professional. A professional spends his time learning his craft. A professional does not spend his time just punching the clock and passing time because he doesn't believe want he is doing is important. If you believe you are just standing around doing the same routine over and over again I guarantee that you are missing things.

                                FB
                                Good thing as a newbie I want the overtime and stuff cause i look at it as long as i have bills i need to work. I have many old timers complain to me about the organization. I just nod my head and give them their respect and forget everything they said. I figure 10 yrs from now those that are coming in with me will be in charge and we will probably bring a different mindset to the game. Thats the way the military seemed to progress with time. I think that some people that complain about this job may not have ever struggled to put food on the table. Who knows

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