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  • "So theoretically, there will be no change in the hiring process." I hate the use of the "t" word. It leaves enough room for ambiguity and (mis)interpretation. The G has pulled the rug out from under us so many times during this whole hiring process, one cannot help but be pessimistic about everything. Not gonna get my hopes up until I am on the plane to Glynco.

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      • Originally posted by TuffStuffCBP View Post
        50219.1


        *This was posted in the delphi forums for Border Patrol. It looks official, but I can't be sure until I receive an e-mail*

        What is Executive Order 13562 – Recruiting and Hiring Students and Recent Graduates?


        On December 27, 2010, President Obama signed Executive Order 13562 entitled “Recruiting and Hiring Students and Recent Graduates.” The principal purpose of the order is to establish a comprehensive structure to help the Federal government be more competitive in recruiting and hiring talented individuals who are in school or who have recently received a degree. The Executive Order (EO) consolidates student and recent graduate programs into the Pathways Programs framework. This order also revokes the Federal Career Intern Program (FCIP).


        What is the Federal Career Intern Program?


        The FCIP is an excepted service appointment which requires successful completion of a two-year trial period in order to obtain a permanent competitive service appointment. It was created in 2001 to attract high caliber individuals to the Federal government and is intended for filling entry level positions.


        How did CBP utilize the FCIP authority?


        CBP used the FCIP hiring authority to attract exceptional men and women to occupations which lend themselves to a formally-structured training and development plan to prepare these individuals for professional careers in CBP after the completion of a two-year internship.


        What positions are filled using the FCIP authority?


        The vast majority of CBP hiring under the FCIP authority is for front line positions - Border Patrol Agent (BPA), Customs and Border Protection Officer (CBPO), and Agriculture Specialist. A small number of mission support positions are currently filled with FCIP interns.


        How are applicants assessed?


        CBP uses a competency-based assessment in examinations to select applicants for the positions of Border Patrol Agent and Customs and Border Protection Officer. The examinations includes a logical reasoning test, arithmetic reasoning test, writing skill assessment, a language test, and competency based oral board.


        Were there any challenges to using the FCIP authority?


        The FCIP authority was successfully challenged in two recent legal cases. Specifically, in the cases, Dean v. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) and Evans v. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) ruled that the existing FCIP authority was flawed and not used appropriately. The MSPB found a violation of veterans’ preference in both cases.


        Does CBP’s FCIP hiring process circumvent merit principles and veterans’ preference?


        No, CBP’s use of the FCIP authority is unique. CBP evaluates applicants in accordance with applicable Federal regulations. In general, applicants for entry-level positions are ranked, certified (in score order with veterans’ preference), and tentatively selected using full veterans’ preference points and rule-of-three procedures.


        Once CBP tentatively selects candidates, they complete various pre-employment processes, which includes a background investigation (often including a polygraph exam), structured interview, medical examination, and drug and fitness tests, as required for the position.


        Once the background investigation is successfully completed and the applicant passes the medical, fitness, drug tests, and interview, the tentative selectee is cleared for hiring. Placements are made in certificate and veterans’ preference order.


        How will the elimination of the FCIP affect current CBP employees?


        Since the EO revokes the FCIP authority effective March 1, 2011, all CBP employees on an FCIP appointment will be converted to the competitive service. It is important for employees to understand that they will suffer no loss of pay or benefits.


        The main impact for current employees will be the length of time required to successfully complete either the FCIP trial period (two years) or the competitive service probationary period (one year).


        Any current employees serving on an FCIP appointment who will successfully complete their two-year trial period between now and February 28th will be converted to a competitive service appointment under the existing procedures. The EO has no impact on this group of employees.
        Employees with one year of FCIP service: An individual with at least one year of service in FCIP will have completed the probationary period upon conversion to the competitive service on March 1, 2011; no additional probationary period is required.
        For example, a CBPO who entered on duty on an FCIP appointment on October 26, 2009, will have served for one year as of October 26, 2010. On March 1, 2011, when the CBPO converts to competitive service, that one year of FCIP service counts as meeting the required one-year probationary period.
        Employee with less than one year of FCIP service: An individual with less than one year of service in FCIP must serve the balance of a one-year probationary period in the competitive service (with the one year beginning from the date of the appointment to the FCIP).
        For example, a BPA who entered on duty on May 24, 2010, under the FCIP would have been in a trial period until May 24, 2012. Under the new provisions, the BPA will be converted to competitive service on March 1, 2011; however, he or she will remain in a probationary status until May 24, 2011.
        Employees with one year of FCIP and competitive service combined. An individual with one year of combined Federal service that includes both service in FCIP and prior eligible Federal service will have completed the probationary period upon conversion to the competitive service on March 1, 2011; no additional probationary period is required.
        For example, a Mission Support Assistant entered on duty on a competitive service appointment on January 19, 2010, and was converted to a BPA (under a FCIP appointment) on December 5, 2010. Under the new provisions, the BPA will convert to competitive status and will have already completed the one-year probationary period on January 19, 2011, because of the cumulative time under both appointments.


        How will extended periods of Leave Without Pay (LWOP) impact the March 1 conversion?


        If a current employee is on extended LWOP due to military duty, they will be converted to competitive service on March 1, 2011.


        If a current employee is on extended LWOP due to compensable injury, supervisors should work with staff from the Workers’ Compensation Program and the Labor and Employee Relations Office to determine the appropriate course of action.


        How will the elimination of this program affect CBP hiring?


        CBP has issued FCIP announcements for front line positions as if they were under competitive service, so theoretically there will be no change in the hiring process.

        However, the primary difference is appointees will be subject to only a one-year probationary period, rather than a two-year trial period. Mission Support positions can and will be filled using other existing hiring authorities.


        What are the CBP hiring alternatives?


        Even though Executive Order 13562 eliminates the FCIP, CBP will hire for front line positions, specifically BPAs, CBPOs, and Agriculture Specialists, using the Delegated Examining Authority for career appointments, Veterans Readjustment Act (VRA) appointments, and Veterans Employment Opportunity Act (VEOA) appointments.


        What are career intern hiring alternatives?


        The Executive Order 13562 establishes the Pathways Internship Program. However, OPM must issue implementing regulations before agencies can use this program. CBP HRM is exploring several hiring authority alternatives and has been working with DHS to address our primary concerns.


        Will participants under the Pathways Internship Program continue to be called students?


        Participants in the Pathways Internship Program will be referred to as “Interns” and must be enrolled, or accepted for enrollment, in qualifying educational institutions recognized by OPM.


        After an intern completes all academic requirements under the Pathways Internship Program, does CBP have to place the student in a permanent position?


        Successful completion of the Pathways Internship Program will not guarantee further Federal employment. However, CBP may convert eligible participants noncompetitively after satisfying the requirements established by the OPM, pending CBP mission needs and requirements at that time.


        What is the status of employees previously appointed under the Presidential Management Fellows (PMF) Program, Student Career Experience Program (SCEP), or Student Temporary Employment Program (STEP)?


        The status of employees currently appointed under the PMF, SCEP, or STEP Programs will not change at this time. We will provide additional information and guidance when it becomes available from OPM.


        Where can I find additional information on the Pathways Program Executive Order?

        If you have further questions, please send an e-mail to [email protected].
        It is official. It is located on FAQ on the employees CBP.net. That does not mean something could not change. However, those posting here about a "purge" are making an assumption that has no basis in reality. It really is a disservice to keep repeating unsubstantiated rumors as fact until more definitive information is provided.

        FB

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        • Originally posted by Firebug View Post
          ... unsubstantiated rumors ...

          FB
          Definitive information is an extreme rarity. I prefer to define these "unsubstantiated rumors" as "speculation"... it's all we have.

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          • Well, the idea that some agencies are purging their applicant pool due to the revocation seems to be approaching fact. U.S. Marshall and A.T.F. applicants have received written notice that the change makes their application obsolete as of March 1st, 2011. Nobody on here has claimed to know for certain what DHS plans to do, people are just guessing based on uncompromising decisions by other agencies - I would say that the guesses have a "basis" in reality. This notice will help eliminate some of the more pessemistic claims; I, for one am excited about the possibility that the change might not affect CBP hiring.
            CBPO
            GEO - NY/JFK
            TEST - 03/08 (NOR: 04/08)

            TO - 01/09
            PE Forms - Completed
            Fitness - Completed
            VBT - 03/09 - Completed
            Drug Screen - Completed
            Qual - 05/09 - Completed
            B.I. - 05/09 - Completed
            Medical - 05/09 - Completed
            TSU


            EOD: ???
            FLETC: ???

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            • Originally posted by TuffStuffCBP View Post
              ... some agencies are purging their applicant pool...
              That's just it, though. How can one Agency's implementation of the Exec. Order differ from another Agency? Was the DOJ's (US Marshals) use of FCIP really that different? Was CBP’s use of the FCIP authority really "unique"? So unique = proper? It's a level of detail that I don't fully understand yet.

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              • Originally posted by Mich-Again View Post
                That's just it, though. How can one Agency's implementation of the Exec. Order differ from another Agency? Was the DOJ's (US Marshals) use of FCIP really that different? Was CBP’s use of the FCIP authority really "unique"? So unique = proper? It's a level of detail that I don't fully understand yet.
                Well I've been through both with the Marshals and CBP, and they have been very different. With the Marshals we didn't take a test, and it was pretty much a lottery to be picked to attend their informational sessions. The same was similar on how they handed out conditional offers. Atleast with the CBP and BP you had to test and compete with other applicants based on your scores.
                USBP
                Written Exam: 8-20-2010
                NOR: 8-25-2010 (93)
                TO: 9-10-2010
                PFT1/Medical: 11-9-2010
                OB: 11-28-2010
                Drug Test: 2-2-2011
                BI Interview: 4-19-2011
                The call: 7-8-11 (Douglas, Az)
                EOD: 7-28-11

                CBP
                TO: 6-15-2011
                PFT1: 7-8-2011

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                • Keep the faith

                  Fnally going to FLETC for a DHS agency, (NON CBP). Your time will come.

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                  • Originally posted by Firebug View Post
                    It is official. It is located on FAQ on the employees CBP.net. That does not mean something could not change. However, those posting here about a "purge" are making an assumption that has no basis in reality. It really is a disservice to keep repeating unsubstantiated rumors as fact until more definitive information is provided.

                    FB
                    Yeah, or they were referring to the last announcement being made under the pretense of the FCIP being gone. A purge is more likely than not.

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                    • Originally posted by TuffStuffCBP View Post
                      Well, the idea that some agencies are purging their applicant pool due to the revocation seems to be approaching fact. U.S. Marshall and A.T.F. applicants have received written notice that the change makes their application obsolete as of March 1st, 2011. Nobody on here has claimed to know for certain what DHS plans to do, people are just guessing based on uncompromising decisions by other agencies - I would say that the guesses have a "basis" in reality. This notice will help eliminate some of the more pessemistic claims; I, for one am excited about the possibility that the change might not affect CBP hiring.
                      That would mean those guesses would have to be based on factual information about those other agencies hiring process. As you can see by other posts in these threads other agencies policies when hiring under FCIP could be very different up to and including not even having a test. This is why the whole matter of FCIP was found to be illegal. CBP while hiring under the FCIP which meant having the two year probation ect. still was conducting the process using the competitive rules. In other words CBP was using the best of both worlds which really was not in the applicants favor.

                      Bottom line is what other agencies are doing means nothing in this case. All the talk about a "purge" is speculation and wild speculation at best.

                      FB

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                      • Originally posted by barnaj View Post
                        Yeah, or they were referring to the last announcement being made under the pretense of the FCIP being gone. A purge is more likely than not.
                        The last announcement was not made under the pretense of the FCIP being gone. A new announcement is made when more applicants are needed, the test changes, or part of the process changes. In this case, I believe it was the last option due to a change in the process.

                        FB

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                        • Received my NOR. Scored a 93. I applied for Puerto Rico. Any idea on what the wait would be? 2 Years give or take a year?
                          BPA:
                          Written Test: Passed (97%)
                          Reactivated Feb 09
                          Pre-Employment Forms: Completed
                          Qualifications: Qualified GL-7
                          Medical Exam: Completed
                          Drug Test: Completed
                          Fitness: Completed
                          Oral Board: Completedhttp://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6315/dancing.gif
                          Background Investigation: Completed


                          IEA ICE
                          Written Test: Passed (80% )
                          Oral Interview: Passed 07/14/09
                          Paperwork Sent In And No Idea When I'll Get An Answer

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                          • How many people does an agency like USMS hire in a given year? I'm guessing only a few hundred, at most.
                            How many people on USMS hiring list with a reasonable shot at being picked up? I'm guessing a few hundred, at most.

                            They announced that they were scheduling an additional 2 classes to their training class list. That's roughly 100 people...if their class size is roughly equal to CBP's.

                            I'm guessing that they're able to 'purge' their list largely because their hiring plan has effectively used it up.

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                            • BPA2Be,

                              This is the Customs and Border Protection Officer thread, you are welcome to post here but might not get the exact answer. Congratulations on you test score and Bueno Suerte con Puerto Rico!
                              Last edited by Thek9; 02-04-2011, 12:34 PM. Reason: syntaxual
                              Le gra'sta De' a Theim.
                              Galic: By The Grace Of God Go I.

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                                Last edited by tigers2007; 04-17-2017, 07:57 PM.

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