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  • Originally posted by Arewethereyet View Post
    Did what d2ep did and emailed MHC. Got my NOR in less than an hour. I don't know how good of a score this is but I got a rating of 90. I am a 5 point veteran, college grad, and put in for the Northern Virginia area. I don't expect anything to happen right away, but it says my NOR expires on 01/2012...
    Just got my NOR email now (Tested 17-Dec-2010 in San Diego). Got a rating of 103 (still unsure if that is my "score"). 10pt vet, currently a college student/Marine Reservist/DoD Police Officer, put in for SW Border. I'm optomistic but have "zero" hiring expectations.

    It would be a bummer to have to reapply and retest, but I just started so not a big deal. Life's current situation is ok for me right now so I can afford to wait a little.

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    • Originally posted by 5149.5 View Post
      Just got my NOR email now (Tested 17-Dec-2010 in San Diego). Got a rating of 103 (still unsure if that is my "score"). 10pt vet, currently a college student/Marine Reservist/DoD Police Officer, put in for SW Border. I'm optomistic but have "zero" hiring expectations.

      It would be a bummer to have to reapply and retest, but I just started so not a big deal. Life's current situation is ok for me right now so I can afford to wait a little.
      NICE!!! 103 is your total score with your 10pt vet. included...

      I didnt do so good, so im hanging this CBP hat up and wishing you all the best in your endeavors....Good luck to all!!!

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      • Originally posted by BKsfinest10 View Post
        Heard from a friend down in FLL that the whole South Miami area is a 2 year wait to get in. I would assume that easiest states to get into quickly is Texas and Arizona. Has anybody else heard anything about better geographic locations to consider?
        The ports on the Southwest Border, Cali, AZ, TX, NM.

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        • I doubt you'd need to re-take the test because it hasn't changed. You'll be ahead of the line by a long shot when they purge the books.
          CBPO
          GEO - NY/JFK
          TEST - 03/08 (NOR: 04/08)

          TO - 01/09
          PE Forms - Completed
          Fitness - Completed
          VBT - 03/09 - Completed
          Drug Screen - Completed
          Qual - 05/09 - Completed
          B.I. - 05/09 - Completed
          Medical - 05/09 - Completed
          TSU


          EOD: ???
          FLETC: ???

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          • Got a passing NOR here on East Coast for December test.

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            • Just received my NOR with a score of 92. Took the test in Dec 2010 in Laguna Nigel with a geological preference of the South West California border, hopefully it doesn’t take 3+ years to get on though.

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              • Wait over

                Ok. The wait for the NORs is over. How long does it usually take get to the next phase of the process? It is the Virtual Interview correct?

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                • What is considered a passing NOR? Above a 75 or 80? And does anyone know how long the wait for Northern Virginia is? Should I just go ahead and change my geo location to the SW border?

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                  • Oh wait, just actually read my NOR, it says "70 and above is higher".

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                    • Originally posted by Arewethereyet View Post
                      What is considered a passing NOR? Above a 75 or 80? And does anyone know how long the wait for Northern Virginia is? Should I just go ahead and change my geo location to the SW border?
                      You are in for a wait regardless, but it will likely be faster if you choose one of the high needs ports along the sw border.

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                      • Just got my NOR today...84%
                        "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

                        BP Agent GEO: CA, SW Border.
                        Written Test: 10/04/10
                        NOR: 11/17/10 Passed(84%).
                        TSL 1: 11/17/10
                        OB: 03/01/11 Passed.
                        Med/PTF1: 04/19/11 Passed
                        TSL 2: 04/29/11.
                        e-QIP: 05/08/11
                        BI Interview: 07/26/11
                        Drug test: 08/05/11
                        Polygraph: 02/08/2012
                        CBP Officer GEO: TX, SW Border.
                        Written Test: 12/09/10
                        NOR: 02/01/11 Passed(84%).
                        TSL 1: 06/14/11
                        PTF 1: 07/20/11Passed.
                        VBT: 09/07/11 Passed

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                        • Got my NOR yesterday too, got a 92. From the sound of things on this forum though, I'm not clinging to very high expectations on this one. Since taking this test I've applied to almost 30 different police agencies around my area and have PFAs for two different agencies this weekend. One on Saturday, one on Sunday. Suffered a pretty serious shoulder injury doing Jiu Jitsu a couple weeks ago though and my shoulders not even close to 100%. No way on God's green earth will I fail though, regardless of how bad the pain might be, I'm going to pass. Just have to grit my teeth and clinch the ol' B-hole a little tighter than usual, but I'll get through it!

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                          • Originally posted by jgcyrano View Post
                            Ok. The wait for the NORs is over. How long does it usually take get to the next phase of the process? It is the Virtual Interview correct?
                            Your next step is to wait for a Tentative Offer, once you have that you will begin with the rest of the process...
                            CBPO
                            Written: 08/29/2007
                            EOD: July 11, 2011

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                            • From the looks of things, seems as though I should have retested. However I don't even know if they mentioned testing for SF/OAK locations.

                              Anyone know's if they will just transfer original apps from previous announcement under new announcement. May be only a dream but it sure would be nice.

                              Hope we all don't get worked up like we did in the past with the TSU list . A buddy of mine came in under the 07/08 hiring frenzy and I sure believed I was going to be next.
                              Test: November 2008
                              TO: 12/26/08
                              Qualifications: 1/09/09-completed
                              VBT 1/21/09-completed
                              Medical - 1/22/09 - cleared 3/09
                              Fitness - 1/22/09 - completed
                              Drug test - 7/1/2009 completed
                              BI - 6/22/2009 Met with Investigator
                              TSU- Referred to Schedule 12/1/2009

                              Geographic Location- San Francisco/Oakland Airport

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                              • 50219.1


                                *This was posted in the delphi forums for Border Patrol. It looks official, but I can't be sure until I receive an e-mail*

                                What is Executive Order 13562 – Recruiting and Hiring Students and Recent Graduates?


                                On December 27, 2010, President Obama signed Executive Order 13562 entitled “Recruiting and Hiring Students and Recent Graduates.” The principal purpose of the order is to establish a comprehensive structure to help the Federal government be more competitive in recruiting and hiring talented individuals who are in school or who have recently received a degree. The Executive Order (EO) consolidates student and recent graduate programs into the Pathways Programs framework. This order also revokes the Federal Career Intern Program (FCIP).


                                What is the Federal Career Intern Program?


                                The FCIP is an excepted service appointment which requires successful completion of a two-year trial period in order to obtain a permanent competitive service appointment. It was created in 2001 to attract high caliber individuals to the Federal government and is intended for filling entry level positions.


                                How did CBP utilize the FCIP authority?


                                CBP used the FCIP hiring authority to attract exceptional men and women to occupations which lend themselves to a formally-structured training and development plan to prepare these individuals for professional careers in CBP after the completion of a two-year internship.


                                What positions are filled using the FCIP authority?


                                The vast majority of CBP hiring under the FCIP authority is for front line positions - Border Patrol Agent (BPA), Customs and Border Protection Officer (CBPO), and Agriculture Specialist. A small number of mission support positions are currently filled with FCIP interns.


                                How are applicants assessed?


                                CBP uses a competency-based assessment in examinations to select applicants for the positions of Border Patrol Agent and Customs and Border Protection Officer. The examinations includes a logical reasoning test, arithmetic reasoning test, writing skill assessment, a language test, and competency based oral board.


                                Were there any challenges to using the FCIP authority?


                                The FCIP authority was successfully challenged in two recent legal cases. Specifically, in the cases, Dean v. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) and Evans v. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) ruled that the existing FCIP authority was flawed and not used appropriately. The MSPB found a violation of veterans’ preference in both cases.


                                Does CBP’s FCIP hiring process circumvent merit principles and veterans’ preference?


                                No, CBP’s use of the FCIP authority is unique. CBP evaluates applicants in accordance with applicable Federal regulations. In general, applicants for entry-level positions are ranked, certified (in score order with veterans’ preference), and tentatively selected using full veterans’ preference points and rule-of-three procedures.


                                Once CBP tentatively selects candidates, they complete various pre-employment processes, which includes a background investigation (often including a polygraph exam), structured interview, medical examination, and drug and fitness tests, as required for the position.


                                Once the background investigation is successfully completed and the applicant passes the medical, fitness, drug tests, and interview, the tentative selectee is cleared for hiring. Placements are made in certificate and veterans’ preference order.


                                How will the elimination of the FCIP affect current CBP employees?


                                Since the EO revokes the FCIP authority effective March 1, 2011, all CBP employees on an FCIP appointment will be converted to the competitive service. It is important for employees to understand that they will suffer no loss of pay or benefits.


                                The main impact for current employees will be the length of time required to successfully complete either the FCIP trial period (two years) or the competitive service probationary period (one year).


                                Any current employees serving on an FCIP appointment who will successfully complete their two-year trial period between now and February 28th will be converted to a competitive service appointment under the existing procedures. The EO has no impact on this group of employees.
                                Employees with one year of FCIP service: An individual with at least one year of service in FCIP will have completed the probationary period upon conversion to the competitive service on March 1, 2011; no additional probationary period is required.
                                For example, a CBPO who entered on duty on an FCIP appointment on October 26, 2009, will have served for one year as of October 26, 2010. On March 1, 2011, when the CBPO converts to competitive service, that one year of FCIP service counts as meeting the required one-year probationary period.
                                Employee with less than one year of FCIP service: An individual with less than one year of service in FCIP must serve the balance of a one-year probationary period in the competitive service (with the one year beginning from the date of the appointment to the FCIP).
                                For example, a BPA who entered on duty on May 24, 2010, under the FCIP would have been in a trial period until May 24, 2012. Under the new provisions, the BPA will be converted to competitive service on March 1, 2011; however, he or she will remain in a probationary status until May 24, 2011.
                                Employees with one year of FCIP and competitive service combined. An individual with one year of combined Federal service that includes both service in FCIP and prior eligible Federal service will have completed the probationary period upon conversion to the competitive service on March 1, 2011; no additional probationary period is required.
                                For example, a Mission Support Assistant entered on duty on a competitive service appointment on January 19, 2010, and was converted to a BPA (under a FCIP appointment) on December 5, 2010. Under the new provisions, the BPA will convert to competitive status and will have already completed the one-year probationary period on January 19, 2011, because of the cumulative time under both appointments.


                                How will extended periods of Leave Without Pay (LWOP) impact the March 1 conversion?


                                If a current employee is on extended LWOP due to military duty, they will be converted to competitive service on March 1, 2011.


                                If a current employee is on extended LWOP due to compensable injury, supervisors should work with staff from the Workers’ Compensation Program and the Labor and Employee Relations Office to determine the appropriate course of action.


                                How will the elimination of this program affect CBP hiring?


                                CBP has issued FCIP announcements for front line positions as if they were under competitive service, so theoretically there will be no change in the hiring process.

                                However, the primary difference is appointees will be subject to only a one-year probationary period, rather than a two-year trial period. Mission Support positions can and will be filled using other existing hiring authorities.


                                What are the CBP hiring alternatives?


                                Even though Executive Order 13562 eliminates the FCIP, CBP will hire for front line positions, specifically BPAs, CBPOs, and Agriculture Specialists, using the Delegated Examining Authority for career appointments, Veterans Readjustment Act (VRA) appointments, and Veterans Employment Opportunity Act (VEOA) appointments.


                                What are career intern hiring alternatives?


                                The Executive Order 13562 establishes the Pathways Internship Program. However, OPM must issue implementing regulations before agencies can use this program. CBP HRM is exploring several hiring authority alternatives and has been working with DHS to address our primary concerns.


                                Will participants under the Pathways Internship Program continue to be called students?


                                Participants in the Pathways Internship Program will be referred to as “Interns” and must be enrolled, or accepted for enrollment, in qualifying educational institutions recognized by OPM.


                                After an intern completes all academic requirements under the Pathways Internship Program, does CBP have to place the student in a permanent position?


                                Successful completion of the Pathways Internship Program will not guarantee further Federal employment. However, CBP may convert eligible participants noncompetitively after satisfying the requirements established by the OPM, pending CBP mission needs and requirements at that time.


                                What is the status of employees previously appointed under the Presidential Management Fellows (PMF) Program, Student Career Experience Program (SCEP), or Student Temporary Employment Program (STEP)?


                                The status of employees currently appointed under the PMF, SCEP, or STEP Programs will not change at this time. We will provide additional information and guidance when it becomes available from OPM.


                                Where can I find additional information on the Pathways Program Executive Order?

                                If you have further questions, please send an e-mail to [email protected].
                                CBPO
                                GEO - NY/JFK
                                TEST - 03/08 (NOR: 04/08)

                                TO - 01/09
                                PE Forms - Completed
                                Fitness - Completed
                                VBT - 03/09 - Completed
                                Drug Screen - Completed
                                Qual - 05/09 - Completed
                                B.I. - 05/09 - Completed
                                Medical - 05/09 - Completed
                                TSU


                                EOD: ???
                                FLETC: ???

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