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  • Originally posted by dajob View Post
    I KNOW I TAKE A LOT OF HEAT here for telling the truth but I got ahold of this little tid bit to prove what I say .
    This from NTEU recent contract hearing 2010.

    "Management's chief spokesperson also argued repeatedly that the practices of the Customs Service were irrelevant because it did not enforce laws or face danger. "

    At still other points, members of the management team gave very suspicious testimony to the arbitrator. For example, a Buffalo port director testified that he had never asked any CBPO to "flush the lines" or "mitigate." He told the arbitrator that would be illegal and a violation of policy, leaving everyone with the impression that if they are ordered to do so they should immediately report the incident to IA. An El Paso manager seconded his testimony. However, as every CBPO knows, managers regularly order them to do so and each member of our team testified about how it is done in their locations.

    MY point is understand what this job is . THE MANAGMENT understands it the newbies here do not . And the BSRERS
    You work the line or counter . True on the southwest border you escort someone into a room until ICE ORthe locals arrive but it is almost the same as TSA finding something in luggage .
    You don't take heat for speaking the truth about this job. You take heat about twisting the truth about this job. No the job is not traditional LE, but be honest there are many specialties within CBP and yes it does serve a LE mission. I'm not going to debate this issue with you anymore. We know who you are and we know you hate the agency, but I know what I do, the officers, agents and other agencies that I work with know what I do. Management is going to be management, however our current upgrade shows that the job is growing more complex and is being recognized. And no I'm not talking about the primary line. There is much more to the agency than that.
    Don't tase me bro!!

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    • Originally posted by qixfeet View Post
      You don't take heat for speaking the truth about this job. You take heat about twisting the truth about this job. No the job is not traditional LE, but be honest there are many specialties within CBP and yes it does serve a LE mission. I'm not going to debate this issue with you anymore. We know who you are and we know you hate the agency, but I know what I do, the officers, agents and other agencies that I work with know what I do. Management is going to be management, however our current upgrade shows that the job is growing more complex and is being recognized. And no I'm not talking about the primary line. There is much more to the agency than that.
      That is the thing with Dajob. He will twist any discussion about leaving any component of DHS into how bad CBP (OFO in particular) is. He talks about how it is not LE and how the job is nothing more than customer service. In some respects he is correct, but then as usual he goes too far. This job is not "typical" LE. After working for 4 different LE agencies I'm still wondering what "typical" LE is, since none of the jobs I've had included all of the duties of any of the other jobs I've had. Is running and gunning typical LE. Not in my home town. Is working complex fraud cases typical LE? Not on the streets of NYC. Is working anti-terrorist cases typical LE? Not in Gila, AZ. Is working a drug smuggling case typical LE? Not in Fargo. Is working a domestic battery case typical LE? Not for the FBI. So "typical" LE has a very fluid definition, one that really can't be applied to any agency, including CBP. The LE job is large and there is room for just about everyone with the mindset. The same goes for CBP. It is a large organization and there is something for just about everyone with the mindset.
      But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

      For the intelectually challenged: If the government screws the people enough, it is the right and responsibility of the people to revolt and form a new government.

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      • Originally posted by PL07 View Post
        I highly doubt any port let alone a NB port would be hiring 150 new officers.
        I too find that doubtful. Maybe Detroit could absorb that many new hires...since it's both a major airport and a major land border.

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        • Excellent posts, both Qix and KC.

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          • Originally posted by jb5722
            why are people leaving and where are they going to?
            I be careful buying into Dajob's "gloom and doom" exit theories. The truth is that the attrition rate for CBPO's is currently well under 5% and probably as low if not lower than it has ever been.

            People leave for every imaginable reason and they end up going everywhere. Historically, the draw of 12D retirement coverage took many away, however we've been 12D covered since 07/08...so that outlet has run dry. Currently, if I had to guess, I'd say that the major reason for exiting is the fact that for many and in most circumstances, this is an entry-level FLEO job. Lots of people come in, get their LE experience and then look to move upwards and onwards. As far as where they went/go, traditionally Border Patrol, IEA, ICE SA and state/local, from my experience. Border Patrol has hired many thousands over the last few years; many jumped on that train. IEA used to appeal to those looking for easier schedules and better (off-border) locations, in addition to 12D retirement. Now that the journeyman pay difference between an IEA and a CBPO is a GL-09 vrs. a GS-12, I'll bet that the run to IEA positions will mostly dry up.

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            • "Management's chief spokesperson also argued repeatedly that the practices of the Customs Service were irrelevant because it did not enforce laws or face danger.
              Customs Service? There hasn't been a 'Customs Service' since March of '03. Not that I buy into the majority of managerial nonsense, but who really cares what current management thinks of the past practices of a now defunct agency?

              I'd also be careful wholeheartedly buying into what NTEU sells on their websites. Drinking the union koolaid is no more healthy for the average CBPO than drinking the managerial koolaid, if you ask me. Both groups are more or less only interested in promoting the best interests of themselves and the 'special interests' they represent.

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              • just checked my status on CASS for the FCRA form and I'm back in the system:

                "
                Application Status
                You have applied for the following position(s):


                Customs and Border Protection Officer - Application ID ...... FAQ's for this position
                Referred to Schedule EOD 8/25/2010 You have been referred to the scheduling unit. "

                So it looks like my EOD did change from Oct 30, 2009 when my BI first cleared to Aug 25, 2010.
                CBP written test Miami, FL
                11/10/2007
                NOR letter 01/16/2008
                VBT 4/2/2008 (passed)
                Forms 6/2/2009 completed
                Med exam 4/6/2009 completed
                9/4/2009
                Physical exam 4/6/2009 (passed)
                drug test 5/7/2009 (passed)
                TO 5/12/2009 (2nd one,
                never got first)
                qualifications completed
                BI interview 9/30/2009
                BI cleared/referred to TSU 10/30/2009
                poly: Mar 2011
                updated e-Qip & All Forms: Sep/Oct 2011
                BI interview II: Dec 2011/Jan 2012

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                • Originally posted by PL07 View Post
                  Medical and Background Investigation
                  Sweet, so in theory, if I pass the BP test in two weeks, I only have to pee in a cup, do some sit-ups, push-ups, do the poly, and I can EOD right after that.
                  CBP written test Miami, FL
                  11/10/2007
                  NOR letter 01/16/2008
                  VBT 4/2/2008 (passed)
                  Forms 6/2/2009 completed
                  Med exam 4/6/2009 completed
                  9/4/2009
                  Physical exam 4/6/2009 (passed)
                  drug test 5/7/2009 (passed)
                  TO 5/12/2009 (2nd one,
                  never got first)
                  qualifications completed
                  BI interview 9/30/2009
                  BI cleared/referred to TSU 10/30/2009
                  poly: Mar 2011
                  updated e-Qip & All Forms: Sep/Oct 2011
                  BI interview II: Dec 2011/Jan 2012

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                  • Originally posted by sandwichman View Post
                    Sweet, so in theory, if I pass the BP test in two weeks, I only have to pee in a cup, do some sit-ups, push-ups, do the poly, and I can EOD right after that.
                    Pretty much, just add a step-test and an oral board. And in my experience, I had to redo another set of qualifications forms. I qualified the same, but they (CBP OFO, BP) each did their own evaluation.

                    Regarding your re-entrance into TSU, did you have to do a new SF-86, fingerprint cards and/or a poly or just the FCRA update?

                    Congratulations on your updated TSU status and buena suerte on the BPA exam.

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                    • KC you are so right! That is what makes law enforcement interesting, nothing is typical, nothing is routine. When you look at this job as routine it is time to leave and go sell shoes. When you enforce the law on someone, they do not react in a routine way, you cannot assume that every day is the same and all people are going to react the same.
                      Life is what happens while you are waiting for something better to come along.

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                      • Hello everyone, as of lately I've been lurking here as well as on the BP forum reading and getting acquainted with the new hiring process, I have since applied for BP's early hiring consideration for West Texas and will be testing tommorrow. My timeline is very similar to Sandwichman's, I was in TSU for CBP here in Miami for over a year until I had to turn the forms in as well as fingerprint cards but have not cleared as of yet, "fingers crossed". If I do pass with a good score I'm hoping to get hired with either agency. I can't be picky at this point, nonetheless I do find both jobs very appealing and feel like I would be a right fit on both. Wish me luck tomorrow.
                        All the best.

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                        • Originally posted by Bolts56 View Post
                          Pretty much, just add a step-test and an oral board. And in my experience, I had to redo another set of qualifications forms. I qualified the same, but they (CBP OFO, BP) each did their own evaluation.

                          Regarding your re-entrance into TSU, did you have to do a new SF-86, fingerprint cards and/or a poly or just the FCRA update?

                          Congratulations on your updated TSU status and buena suerte on the BPA exam.
                          Cool, the step test isn't a big deal, neither is the sit down with the 3 or 4 BP guys.

                          Negative, just the FCRA. In one of the snail mail letters or emails MHC sent me, it stated that after the first year of being in TSU, you're only asked to submit the FCRA, which if it checks out extends your eligibility another year, then after that 2nd year, you'll need to resubmit the SF-86 and possibly redo the BI interview). Not really sure what The Man thinks will change with our fingerprints and the logic behind having to resubmit them other than generating revenue for the agency taking them. Oh well.

                          Gracias, vamos a ver.
                          CBP written test Miami, FL
                          11/10/2007
                          NOR letter 01/16/2008
                          VBT 4/2/2008 (passed)
                          Forms 6/2/2009 completed
                          Med exam 4/6/2009 completed
                          9/4/2009
                          Physical exam 4/6/2009 (passed)
                          drug test 5/7/2009 (passed)
                          TO 5/12/2009 (2nd one,
                          never got first)
                          qualifications completed
                          BI interview 9/30/2009
                          BI cleared/referred to TSU 10/30/2009
                          poly: Mar 2011
                          updated e-Qip & All Forms: Sep/Oct 2011
                          BI interview II: Dec 2011/Jan 2012

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                          • Originally posted by Akito View Post
                            Hello everyone, as of lately I've been lurking here as well as on the BP forum reading and getting acquainted with the new hiring process, I have since applied for BP's early hiring consideration for West Texas and will be testing tommorrow. My timeline is very similar to Sandwichman's, I was in TSU for CBP here in Miami for over a year until I had to turn the forms in as well as fingerprint cards but have not cleared as of yet, "fingers crossed". If I do pass with a good score I'm hoping to get hired with either agency. I can't be picky at this point, nonetheless I do find both jobs very appealing and feel like I would be a right fit on both. Wish me luck tomorrow.
                            All the best.
                            good luck on the test, let us know how it went
                            CBP written test Miami, FL
                            11/10/2007
                            NOR letter 01/16/2008
                            VBT 4/2/2008 (passed)
                            Forms 6/2/2009 completed
                            Med exam 4/6/2009 completed
                            9/4/2009
                            Physical exam 4/6/2009 (passed)
                            drug test 5/7/2009 (passed)
                            TO 5/12/2009 (2nd one,
                            never got first)
                            qualifications completed
                            BI interview 9/30/2009
                            BI cleared/referred to TSU 10/30/2009
                            poly: Mar 2011
                            updated e-Qip & All Forms: Sep/Oct 2011
                            BI interview II: Dec 2011/Jan 2012

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                            • Originally posted by kc12 View Post
                              That is the thing with Dajob. He will twist any discussion about leaving any component of DHS into how bad CBP (OFO in particular) is. He talks about how it is not LE and how the job is nothing more than customer service. In some respects he is correct, but then as usual he goes too far. This job is not "typical" LE. After working for 4 different LE agencies I'm still wondering what "typical" LE is, since none of the jobs I've had included all of the duties of any of the other jobs I've had. Is running and gunning typical LE. Not in my home town. Is working complex fraud cases typical LE? Not on the streets of NYC. Is working anti-terrorist cases typical LE? Not in Gila, AZ. Is working a drug smuggling case typical LE? Not in Fargo. Is working a domestic battery case typical LE? Not for the FBI. So "typical" LE has a very fluid definition, one that really can't be applied to any agency, including CBP. The LE job is large and there is room for just about everyone with the mindset. The same goes for CBP. It is a large organization and there is something for just about everyone with the mindset.
                              OUTSTANDING!!!! Just like us Correctional Officers aren't "typical Law Enforcement" cause we don't carry a gun inside and we just babysit Inmates.....even though not carrying weapons and being outnumbered by hundreds makes the mission that much more dangerous.....Oh well, people can say we aren't Law Enforcement all they want, I'm still getting paid off the GL scale lol....

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                              • Originally posted by sandwichman View Post
                                Not really sure what The Man thinks will change with our fingerprints and the logic behind having to resubmit them other than generating revenue for the agency taking them. Oh well.

                                Gracias, vamos a ver.
                                Fingerprints can change. If the crack head heats up his pipe too much they burn their fingers which can result in scars. When I went in to have mine done I had burned my fingers when ironing my work shirt (the iron fell and I grabbed it). The guy taking my prints kept giving me the evil eye, until I told him I wasn't a crackhead I burned my fingers ironing a shirt. Once I filled him on on my background he had a good laugh.

                                If you are working on a project and cut your finger, it can result in a scar, changing your fingerprints. I don't know about your hands, but mine look like hell. They have scars all over many are not from large cuts. Those scars become part of your fingerprints. I once thought the same as you, until I was taking prints from some scrotes two or three time in a month. It was explained.
                                But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

                                For the intelectually challenged: If the government screws the people enough, it is the right and responsibility of the people to revolt and form a new government.

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