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  • Must.............not.........feed...........the... .........escape-the-kmart-jackel...........uh........troll
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

    For the intelectually challenged: If the government screws the people enough, it is the right and responsibility of the people to revolt and form a new government.

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    • Originally posted by EscapeCBP
      People with any type of skill set are not going to put in 20 to 25 years here.
      With that said we don`t hire the top of the line.
      I take exception to that. I would say I am plenty skilled. And do consider myself a "top of the line," type employee. I chose this job. I was offered jobs with the NYPD, and the FAMS, and I believe I could have landed a multitude of other LEO jobs as well. But I chose to stick with CBP.

      There is a "customer service," aspect to the job. This is true. But I really do not stamp passports very much these days. Once you have a little seniority (at least at JFK) you as an officer can make it to one of the Teams, or Units, and they are much more LE oriented. And there is satisfaction in intercepting drugs, and the other dangerous things, and people, who try to get in to this country.

      And the skills of a seasoned "Inspector" can be amazing. Like just looking at a passenger and knowing that they are "good" right away. (good is bad--Old Inspector lingo)

      It can be fun. I like it anyway.

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      • I have held several different jobs in law enforcement and there is always that guy who wants to over simplify the job. Highway patrol just chase tail lights and write tickets, U.S. Marshal sit in court and deliver prisoners, it is ALWAYS the same thing. If that is what you think, maybe you should install bumpers at GM, because this job is not that easy. I have always said that when you think this job is always the same thing you will get yourself or someone else hurt or killed.

        The agency that Jack Bower works for does not exist, and you cannot have that many bad days. The work done by every agency is important regardless of the day to day druge performed by it's officers.

        Law enforcement has been explained by better men than I as hours of boredom punctuated by seconds of shear terror. That happens in CBP just as it does in all agencies, I must admit that those seconds do not come about as often now that I have left the SW border, but I still try to look beyond what is right before me, that is what law enforcement is all about.
        When the little voice in your head that says that something is not right with this situation becomes mute, it is time to start selling shoes.
        Life is what happens while you are waiting for something better to come along.

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        • Originally posted by EscapeCBP
          People with any type of skill set are not going to put in 20 to 25 years here. With that said we don`t hire the top of the line.
          That's a pretty sh*tty thing to say to a thread full of people trying to get this job.

          Sorry you hate your job, but quit trying to ruin it for other people. Just because CBP made the the mistake of hiring you doesn't mean they don't generally hire quality candidates.
          Last edited by Lamp Lighter; 03-15-2010, 02:12 AM.
          "He made the night a little brighter where ever he would go. The old lamplighter of long, long ago."

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          • we should require a degree.... i had my bachelor's and started my master's and they screwed me bringing me in as a 5 when other people who had no college got a 7... funny system

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              • Funny. I'm a TSA screener, have a degree from a Big Ten school(U of Illinois) and have 4 years experience searching bags, checking Passports and working at an international airport. Guess they shouldn't be recruiting guys like me?

                Some of us started Part Time at TSA while in school and ended up getting stuck here when the economy slowed down. There are plenty of good TSO that are trying to move into a Fed LEO position. CBP is a good place to start because many of the skills we have carry over.
                Geo: Illinois
                Test Score: 94
                Quals: GS-7
                T.O.: 8/7/2007
                Referred to Schedule EOD

                "Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die"

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                • Originally posted by EscapeCBP
                  FACT we do not require a degree or law enforcement experience to be hired .
                  Fact MOST law enforcement agencies do not require a degree or directly relevant job experience.

                  Originally posted by EscapeCBP
                  DO you wonder WHY ? Do you wonder why they have to keep increasing the pay scale , while other Fed jobs do not ?
                  This is easy. Because we are required to have the knowledge and skills that place us in the GS-12 level. This level is not determined by management. It is determined by OPM. Management incorrectly described our job in an effort to decrease our pay. There are grievances about this exact thing. Something that should really be ****ing you off, in addition to going no where in your career, is that since the merger we should have been receiving GS-12 pay.

                  Originally posted by EscapeCBP
                  WHY does everyone here have so little maturity or intelligence that they take every comment as a personal insult ? Are their skill sets actually so limited ? Do they feel this is it for a job ?
                  Why do trolls always come on forums and start arguments for the sake of irritating people? You have come on here in one of your various forms and done nothing to assist those who want the job. All you have done is come on here and put those down who want the job, insulted those who disagree with you who are doing the job, and generally done nothing but complain about the job.

                  Now I must remember the tenets of 12-step programs and forgive myself for falling off the wagon. I must not feed the troll. I must not feed the troll. I must not feed the troll. I must not feed the troll. I must not feed the troll. I must not feed the troll. I must not feed the troll......
                  But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

                  For the intelectually challenged: If the government screws the people enough, it is the right and responsibility of the people to revolt and form a new government.

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                  • Originally posted by tc05sti View Post
                    we should require a degree.... i had my bachelor's and started my master's and they screwed me bringing me in as a 5 when other people who had no college got a 7... funny system
                    Who screwed you?

                    In order for you to have been hired as a GS-05, YOU had to...

                    1: apply as a GS-05 applicant

                    and

                    2: accept a GS-05 offer.

                    Had you not applied stating you'd accept GS-05 pay, they never would have considered offering it to you.


                    BTW, your Bachelor degree only qualifies you for a GS-05. Depending on how far along you were in your pursuit of your Master's, you may well have not qualified for a GS-07.

                    Qualifications:
                    You may qualify for the CBP Officer position based on education, experience, or a combination of both.

                    Experience Requirements for a GS-5 level: Applicants must have at least 3 years of general experience that required the ability to meet and deal with people and the ability to learn and apply a body of facts. Examples of such duties include explaining administrative requirements and procedures to others and screening forms to ensure that they are completed properly in accordance with requirements. These duties may have been performed in customer service, claims adjustment, information receptionist, assistant, aid, and secretarial/clerical positions. Positions involving lead and supervisory duties or operating a business should also have provided the required knowledge, skills and abilities. The performance of predominately typing, filing, copying, or messenger duties, or other purely mechanistic tasks, is not creditable as general experience, nor is experience in trades and crafts or equipment operator work.

                    Experience Requirements for a GS-7 level: Applicants must have one year of specialized experience that entailed performance of substantive duties in inspections work at borders, seaports, airports or other ports of entry and/or work involving preliminary screening of persons for entry and immigration status, or compliance/regulatory work. Inspections experience must have demonstrated the ability to apply specialized knowledge of the laws, regulations, and procedures for importing and exporting merchandise to and from the United States and/or law enforcement work at the local, State or Federal levels, which included dealing with persons suspected of entering the United States illegally. Compliance/regulatory work experience must have demonstrated the ability to collect, develop, and evaluate facts, evidence, and pertinent data in assessing compliance with or violations of laws, rules or regulations. Specialized experience is generally gained in the performance of the duties of the following kinds of positions in the private/public sectors: Inspector, Auditor, Analyst, Examiner, Administrator, and Investigator as well as some Technicians and Assistants.

                    Education: If applicants do not have the work experience described above, 4 years of study in any field leading to a bachelor's degree in an accredited college or university can be substituted and is fully qualifying for the GS-5 level. For the GS-7 level, one full academic year of graduate education, or a master's or higher degree is qualifying, or meeting the provisions of Superior Academic Achievement (SAA). See http://www.opm.gov/qualifications/SEC-II/s2-e5.asp#e4f for information on SAA.

                    Education obtained from a foreign university or college is not creditable for qualification requirements unless it has been evaluated by a private foreign educational credential evaluation service (see http://www.naces.org/members.htm for a list of organizations that provide this evaluation service).

                    Combining qualifying experience and education: If you do not qualify based on experience or education alone, you may be able to qualify based on a combination of your experience and education. Follow the directions below in order to convert each to a percentage, and then add the percentages together to see if they total 100 percent. To determine your percentage of qualifying experience, you must divide your total number of months of qualifying experience by the required number of months of experience. The GS-5 level requires 36 months, and the GS-7 level requires 12 months of qualifying experience. To calculate your percentage of undergraduate education, divide your number of undergraduate semester hours by 120 or the number of quarter hours by 180. For GS-7, divide the number of graduate semester hours by 18, graduate quarter hours by 27, or by the school's definition of one year of graduate study. Finally, add your percentages of education and experience. The two percentages must total at least 100 percent for you to qualify under the combination of experience and education.



                    Emphasis mine.

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                    • That "fact" of 58 people leaving every two weeks is 2 years old and obsolete in today's world. The current attrition level is roughly 4.3% which comes out to roughly 35 people every 2 weeks.

                      I'd expect that attriton level to be slowly decreasing as well. One of the groups with the highest attrition rates are new hires and those with less than 2 years on the job. Since we've seen little for hiring over the last 8 months or so, there's fewer new hires out there available to walk away from the job.

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                      • +1 to what KC said about most LE agencies not "requiring" a college degree or direct relevant experience, at least not on the federal level.

                        I'd probably go so far to say that most federal jobs, LE or not, do not require a degree or relevant work experience. Of the top of my head, I can't think of a job within CBP that "requires" a college degree.(though I would bet some do exist) Of the usual CBP positions(CBPO, Border Patrol Agent, Ag. Specialist, IT Specialist, Mission Support Specialist, Import Specialist) none of them require a degree. Now, having a degree might(for the most part) provide the only real chance of being competitive for the position...but it's not required at the bare-bones minimal qualifying level.

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                        • Originally posted by merlin436 View Post
                          Of the top of my head, I can't think of a job within CBP that "requires" a college degree.(though I would bet some do exist)
                          I applied for a position as an Auditor for CBP. It is a position that requires a college degree in Accounting.


                          CBP AUDITOR
                          CBPO East Texas
                          TO: 3/3/09
                          Pre-Emp Forms: 3/26/09
                          Fitness: 4/6/09 -Passed
                          Medical: 4/6/09 -Passed
                          VBT: 4/7/09 -Passed
                          Quals: (GS-7) 4/10/09 -Verified
                          Drug Test: 4/17/09 -Passed
                          BI: 8/27/09 -Cleared
                          TSU: 8/27/09
                          FCRA: 05/19/10
                          BI Update: 6/16/10

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                          • Here are the quals for the auditor position.

                            QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
                            Basic Requirements for GS-9-12:

                            A. Degree in accounting or a degree in a related field such as business administration, finance, or public administration that included or was supplemented by 24 semester hours in accounting. The 24 hours may include up to 6 hours of credit in business law. (The term "accounting" means "accounting and/or auditing" in this standard. Similarly, "accounting" should be interpreted, generally, as "accountant and/or auditor.")

                            Or

                            B. Combination of education and experience-at least 4 years of experience in accounting, or an equivalent combination of accounting experience, college-level education, and training that provided professional accounting knowledge.

                            The applicant's background must also include one of the following: 1. Twenty-four semester hours in accounting or auditing courses of appropriate type and quality. This can include up to 6 hours of business law; 2. A certificate as Certified Public Accountant or a Certified Internal Auditor, obtained through written examination; or 3. Completion of the requirements for a degree that included that included substantial course work in accounting or auditing, e.g., 15 semester hours, but that does not fully satisfy the 24-semester-hour requirement of paragraph A, provided that (a) the applicant has successfully worked at the full performance level in accounting, auditing, or a related field, e.g., valuation engineering or financial institution examining; (b) a panel of at least two higher level professional accountants or auditors has determined that the applicant has demonstrated a good knowledge of accounting and or related and underlying fields that equals in breadth, depth, currency, and level of advancement that which is normally associated with successful completion of the 4-year course of study described in paragraph A; and (c) except for literal nonconformance to the requirement of 24 semester hours in accounting, the applicant's education, training, and experience fully meet the specified requirements.



                            It appears to me that, under section B, it is possible to qualify, lacking a college degree, with training and experience providing one has the right background and certifcation.

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                            • Last time I checked, being in the top 55 percentile of anything is considered average, mediocre even. Not even close to "top of the line." I mean seriously. If you're going to rush through a sup test just to get the rest of the day off and not even shoot for top 5-10%, makes me question where your priorities lie. These type of tests aren't rocket science but rushing through them to get a day off and then coming onto the internet and bragging like your top 55% is actually a good thing is beyond laughable.

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                              • Originally posted by merlin436 View Post
                                Here are the quals for the auditor position.

                                QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
                                Basic Requirements for GS-9-12:

                                A. Degree in accounting or a degree in a related field such as business administration, finance, or public administration that included or was supplemented by 24 semester hours in accounting. The 24 hours may include up to 6 hours of credit in business law. (The term "accounting" means "accounting and/or auditing" in this standard. Similarly, "accounting" should be interpreted, generally, as "accountant and/or auditor.")

                                Or

                                B. Combination of education and experience-at least 4 years of experience in accounting, or an equivalent combination of accounting experience, college-level education, and training that provided professional accounting knowledge.

                                The applicant's background must also include one of the following: 1. Twenty-four semester hours in accounting or auditing courses of appropriate type and quality. This can include up to 6 hours of business law; 2. A certificate as Certified Public Accountant or a Certified Internal Auditor, obtained through written examination; or 3. Completion of the requirements for a degree that included that included substantial course work in accounting or auditing, e.g., 15 semester hours, but that does not fully satisfy the 24-semester-hour requirement of paragraph A, provided that (a) the applicant has successfully worked at the full performance level in accounting, auditing, or a related field, e.g., valuation engineering or financial institution examining; (b) a panel of at least two higher level professional accountants or auditors has determined that the applicant has demonstrated a good knowledge of accounting and or related and underlying fields that equals in breadth, depth, currency, and level of advancement that which is normally associated with successful completion of the 4-year course of study described in paragraph A; and (c) except for literal nonconformance to the requirement of 24 semester hours in accounting, the applicant's education, training, and experience fully meet the specified requirements.



                                It appears to me that, under section B, it is possible to qualify, lacking a college degree, with training and experience providing one has the right background and certifcation.
                                The applicant's background must also include one of the following:

                                1. Twenty-four semester hours in accounting or auditing courses of appropriate type and quality.
                                - Accounting degree only requires 30 hours, so if you have 24 you are probably going to have the degree.

                                2. A certificate as Certified Public Accountant or a Certified Internal Auditor
                                - You have to have an accounting degree or similar degree to be a CPA or CIA.

                                3. Completion of the requirements for a degree that included that included substantial course work in accounting or auditing, e.g., 15 semester hours, but that does not fully satisfy the 24-semester-hour requirement of paragraph A, provided that (a) the applicant has successfully worked at the full performance level in accounting, auditing, or a related field, e.g., valuation engineering or financial institution examining; (b) a panel of at least two higher level professional accountants or auditors has determined that the applicant has demonstrated a good knowledge of accounting and or related and underlying fields that equals in breadth, depth, currency, and level of advancement that which is normally associated with successful completion of the 4-year course of study described in paragraph A; and (c) except for literal nonconformance to the requirement of 24 semester hours in accounting, the applicant's education, training, and experience fully meet the specified requirements.


                                So is it possible to get the job without a degree? Probably, but I would say the odds are extremely slim and that would probably be the exception rather than the norm
                                Last edited by USMC0844; 03-16-2010, 10:41 AM.
                                CBPO East Texas
                                TO: 3/3/09
                                Pre-Emp Forms: 3/26/09
                                Fitness: 4/6/09 -Passed
                                Medical: 4/6/09 -Passed
                                VBT: 4/7/09 -Passed
                                Quals: (GS-7) 4/10/09 -Verified
                                Drug Test: 4/17/09 -Passed
                                BI: 8/27/09 -Cleared
                                TSU: 8/27/09
                                FCRA: 05/19/10
                                BI Update: 6/16/10

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