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  • Originally posted by Semper0331 View Post
    I totally understand folks frustrations! There's some super-motivated qualified dudes out there who would no doubt do a fantastic job if just given the chance.

    However, with the volume of applicants, Vet Pref is an easy and lawful way to cut sizable swaths of the applicant pool down to more manageable numbers.

    I don't think Vet Pref should exclude anyone, especially considering many of the Vet Pref eligibles are the support guys who sprained their ankle in training and milked the VA for 30%.

    The 03 guys on the other hand, don't get me started. They deserve every head start they can get. There's a big difference in between the guys who were exposed to danger and the guys who crossed the wire everyday with one mission- to utterly destroy our nation's enemies.

    03 for life!!!

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    • Originally posted by ShockTroopDevilDog View Post
      agreed
      Thanks, Devil. But what do I know. I'm out of the process anyway.

      KWAZ f*cked me. I did the sh*t thing and was just served a protective order to cease all communication with the agency...

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      • Originally posted by ShockTroopDevilDog View Post
        ye exactly. we volunteered. they didnt. we took initiative, they didnt. we should should have a leg up on the competition.
        The problem with what you're saying is plenty of people make sacrifices who aren't veterans. Local cops are making sacrifices all the time with schedules, seeing the stuff they see, etc. Same with EMTs and paramedics. Plenty of those in civilian jobs make sacrifices to serve their communities.

        You're also saying you have all of this training, experience, and discipline that civilians don't (not true; plenty of civilians have relevant training and just as much discipline as those who served). If that's the case, that alone, as long as you convey it well on your resume, should give you a leg up.

        Now, I'm not arguing for one side or another. I'm not saying veterans' preference isn't deserved by those who get it. You just seem to think the only way to serve a community and make sacrifices is to join the military, and that's simply not true. I'd argue the first responders to Orlando (as an example) are serving just like those in the military.

        You have to understand how people can be frustrated when their application isn't even looked at just because they didn't serve in the military. Again, I'm not arguing one side or another, but I'm just asking that you understand the frustration of an applicant who has a master's and who has been an investigator for 10 years who doesn't get considered for a federal LEO spot.

        What if that cop was injured on the job during a fight or shooting? Where are his or her preference points?

        That's all I'm saying. Just try to see the other side.

        Thank you for your service.

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        • Originally posted by aspiring_fed View Post
          The problem with what you're saying is plenty of people make sacrifices who aren't veterans. Local cops are making sacrifices all the time with schedules, seeing the stuff they see, etc. Same with EMTs and paramedics. Plenty of those in civilian jobs make sacrifices to serve their communities.

          You're also saying you have all of this training, experience, and discipline that civilians don't (not true; plenty of civilians have relevant training and just as much discipline as those who served). If that's the case, that alone, as long as you convey it well on your resume, should give you a leg up.

          Now, I'm not arguing for one side or another. I'm not saying veterans' preference isn't deserved by those who get it. You just seem to think the only way to serve a community and make sacrifices is to join the military, and that's simply not true. I'd argue the first responders to Orlando (as an example) are serving just like those in the military.

          You have to understand how people can be frustrated when their application isn't even looked at just because they didn't serve in the military. Again, I'm not arguing one side or another, but I'm just asking that you understand the frustration of an applicant who has a master's and who has been an investigator for 10 years who doesn't get considered for a federal LEO spot.

          What if that cop was injured on the job during a fight or shooting? Where are his or her preference points?

          That's all I'm saying. Just try to see the other side.

          Thank you for your service.
          The issue is your applying for a job with the federal government which the military is apart of. If you were applying for a local government position within the city you served you may get preference over an outsider applying for the same position.

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          • are yall done yet? why don't you guys go start a thread about this in the off topic section or in the job discussion thread, not within a particular announcement thread. you all are going to get this thread locked and then hundreds of people will be without a reliable source for info regarding the job and the process as it moves forward. though they might be better off at that point being without this crap.
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            • Originally posted by battlewagon View Post
              are yall done yet? why don't you guys go start a thread about this in the off topic section or in the job discussion thread, not within a particular announcement thread. you all are going to get this thread locked and then hundreds of people will be without a reliable source for info regarding the job and the process as it moves forward. though they might be better off at that point being without this crap.
              AMEN! I agree 100%. Create another thread and leave this to strictly to USMS topic related questions.

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              • Originally posted by BoricuaLEO View Post
                AMEN! I agree 100%. Create another thread and leave this to strictly to USMS topic related questions.
                Agree!

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                • so... how long after the release of the PR announcement did it take for someone's hiring process to be complete and if so, are they in the upcoming class? from the looks of things, majority of fed leo agencies are doing a fairly quick hiring process.

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                    • I work with a guy who just realized after applying to this vacancy that his formatting on his resume gets ALL fubar when it saves to usajobs. I think its his margines setting not translating well in older versions of word. Two points here, 1. Looks like you all's chances are 1 in 4,999 because there is no way he's getting an interview with that resume. He's definitely is qualified as it gets, but as I told him honest mistake or not, if it was up to me I'd pass on moving you to the next round simply because there were 4,000+ or so other applicants who did not make that mistake or opted to use the usajobs resume builder if they were unsure 2. If you're going to use your own formatted resume it's always best to submit in .pdf. This way no matter the format you created or which program you typed it in it will still look exactly like you saved it.

                      For this vacancy what did you guys submit, usajobs built resume or your own formatted one?

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                      • I uploaded mine, so it isn't in the resume, and don't copy and paste into the builder. It is a separate .doc file I upload. Too long to fit in the USAjobs version, exceeds character limit.
                        UNITED STATES BORDER PATROL
                        "90 years of tradition unhindered by progress!"


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                        • Originally posted by battlewagon View Post
                          I uploaded mine, so it isn't in the resume, and don't copy and paste into the builder. It is a separate .doc file I upload. Too long to fit in the USAjobs version, exceeds character limit.
                          same

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                          • Unless the announcement specifically says they want their resume a certain way, I use the USAJOBS template. They have been updating the website (finally) and have made it much more user friendly. Also, the resume template on the website ensures that all pertinent information is put in as federal resumes are much different than personal/private sector resumes. I'm sure at the end of they it comes down to the GS-5 or GS-7 HR specialist that looks at your resume.

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                            • Originally posted by Mchutj20 View Post
                              Damn, in that 4 years you could have enlisted, gone to Afghanistan, and come back a 10 point vet. Good luck on this "fight" though.
                              Instead I served 4 years as a Border Patrol Agent on the south west border.

                              Like I said before, I am not bashing vets. I am against a hiring process the purposefully excludes all non-vets based solely on vet status.

                              Good luck in the hiring process.
                              What is Perseverance?
                              -Perseverance is commitment, hard work, patience, endurance.
                              -Perseverance is being able to bear difficulties calmly and without complaint.
                              -PERSEVERANCE IS TRYING AGAIN AND AGAIN.


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                              • I personally like using my own resume. I think it speaks to a candidates competency with Word and formatting. Then again there is no way of telling if they did it themselves or hired an outside company.

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