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  • Originally posted by battlewagon View Post
    If you all want a street-cop style job with the feds, border patrol is your best bet hands down. our stuff is like you see on TV (border wars), and you are interacting with 0 or 50 people a day on traffic stops, foot patrol, etc. up to you. all depends on the agent. dont feel like making traffic stops or talking to people? no worries, go brush up in a bush and wait for a group of 20 to cross illegally, or for 500 pounds of drugs to come across. BP is a great job, pays well, and is a ****ing blast. you can get in a pursuit a day if you know where to look for them. or you can hold down a stationary point and take it slow if youre not feeling good that day. i have absolute freedom. you get your keys and assignment, and that is the last time i see someone wearing brass until muster the next day. not that i mind, i love my supervisors, and they treat me well. i am on an office desk detail right now that plans visits for VIPs. met the commissioner of DHS my first week. ive escorted and toured congressmen, and lead some high ranking DoD official around yesterday. i got this gig 100% because of a supervisor who liked me vouching for me. people talk about supervisors sucking at their current agencies; there is not a single supervisor who i dont absolutely love being at work with, and many of them who i would or actively get together with outside work. that goes for even higher up, watch commanders, etc. i call the border patrol the Bro Patrol because it truly is a bro-fest, and i mean that in a good way.

    my detail is an office setting, which is not what i like, but it is a break from the field, a Monday-Friday, 7-5 easy job. so you can be absolutely caked and covered in mud from neck to boots, or sitting in an office chair. BP has it all. boats, atvs, dirtbikes, horses, and all the details like firearms, FTO, academy, etc.

    yes some disgruntled agents at ****ty stations will tell you otherwise. and yes we just had a pay cut. but still a great job. if i was single, i would be here 35 years until they force me out. but i am not, and am considering my current and future family, so i want to land a job that can get me to the east coast, even if i have to do 10 years in the next agency to get it. that is my only complaint about BP; i can never get home with it.


    just my two cents for guys who are city cops and dont want to give up the action, or those who want to try it out. plus once youre in the competitive service, youre in the door. ive turned down firm offers from other fed agencies after doing their process, and for example i have my SAC meeting next week for federal air marshals, which i need to cancel. but im that last step away from a tentative offer from them and i only got that far because im a status candidate applying non competitively. so if you dont make US Marshals, or this last page is discouraging you, give BP a second thought. there is an open vacancy right now.


    Just my two cents.

    That's an interesting career you have had, and I admit that I had fun in BP as well, however remember every station is different in BP, and every sector is even more different. I watched Border Wars while I was in the academy and when I got to the field, I was shocked to learn that the show didn't depict the kind of work we did at my station. I'm not saying that will be the case for anyone else, but I don't think anyone should watch that show and expect that to be the reality at every station. I ended up working the checkpoint 4 days a week stuck on the midnight shift. We rarely, if ever, saw an Omaha, and my station didn't even have any ATVs until just recently.

    There are more than a few BPAs trying to leave, and the pay isn't the reason. The job itself isn't the reason either in the majority of cases. It's all about location, and a career in BP means you will be working on the border. Most likely the southwest border, though there are a limited number (very limited) of opportunities on the northern border and gulf/atlantic coast. Also the location of the stations means that you are often far from the nearest major city. I worked in Willcox, and lived in Tucson. My commute was 85 miles each way, or about 2.5 hours a day. A few years of that really can wear you down.

    I left BP for ERO and am in a location hundreds of miles from the nearest border, nearly dead in the center of the US. I live in a major city and don't have to do a ridiculous commute. I'm a 2.5 hour drive from my family and my hometown (Kansas City).

    BP was great for the experience, but once I left and got to another agency it really hit me how much better most other feds have it. Compared to other GS-12 Federal LEOs, BPAs get treated like crap.
    What is Perseverance?
    -Perseverance is commitment, hard work, patience, endurance.
    -Perseverance is being able to bear difficulties calmly and without complaint.
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    • Entry level position is just that. Congrats on your achievements and accolades. But if marshals wants to select a college kid instead of someone with said work history. That's on the marshals. Don't knock them because you don't feel they are worthy

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      • To be honest and sincere I really don't like the way that this thread is going...we deal with enough of the B.S when we go after bad guys...I honestly believe that this forum is a platform for those reaching out and seeking information not dis information....if every job was a cake job or easy going would it be worthwhile? ????? I hated my time in Iraq, GTMo, and at sea now I look back at it it made me better leader....what I'm trying to say is don't bad talk the agency because of your experience you still have a long way 2 go try to make it a better work place it may not be easy but it could be worse....sorry for the rant

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        • Originally posted by Gummertime View Post
          Entry level position is just that. Congrats on your achievements and accolades. But if marshals wants to select a college kid instead of someone with said work history. That's on the marshals. Don't knock them because you don't feel they are worthy
          Im not going to knock the college kids, not sure who was. But i will agree, its on the Marshals for hiring them. But....its a safety issue for those of us working, and if you get the job you will care then. There is a reason most police departments and sheriff's offices have a mandatory experience period before you can join SWAT. College kids have as much business joining the USMS and being on the streets 6 months later as does someone getting their pilots license and wanting to fly combat jets over Iraq next week. The USMS is losing its edge because they are hiring more people without life experience. The USMS is supposed to be the "next evolution" for highly trained military and law enforcement personnel, much as Delta Force only pulls from the experienced ranks of Ranger and SF cadre.

          Let me tell you this, and i dont exaggerate one bit. I work in an office of 20-25 Marshals. Out of that , perhaps 10% have LEO experience, 25% have military. The rest are college kids/Co-ops, where this is their first job ever holding a gun, a position of authority, and sometimes a real job where they arent wearing a nametag and hairnet. I have seen tactics that would make a police recruit in FTO proud of their accomplishments, and these tactics come from people with 5-10+ years on the job. People who take 5 pulls to get their guns out of the holster. People who cant clear a room . People whose blood pressure spikes and adrenaline dumps at the slightest incident, whereas a calm , cool, professional barely bats an eye. The biggest problem with this is that these people DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DONT KNOW. A police rookie is a sponge wanting you to throw water at him. People in the USMS with no prior experience think that they are badasses and the cream of the crop because they went through BDUSM and it was drilled into them that we are the best of the best. We are watering down our liquor here folks, and pretty soon you wont be able to get a buzz from it. If you DO join the agency, PLEASE be careful. There is a growing percentage of ex-cops/military who are starting to refuse to work streets ONLY because of the safety factor, and they are tired of looking up at their co-op partner who has their gun pointed at their head while they are handcuffing someone on the ground.

          Disclaimer: Before someone accuses me of being a negative nancy, this does not apply across the board to all offices, some offices have 90% experienced people and they are high speed low drag. But you dont know where you will end up, and some of the offices have so much drag they would prevent the space shuttle from lifting off.

          Happy Monday.
          USMS Region 3
          Info Session: Aug 2009 (Atlanta)
          Interview: 10/26/09 (Atlanta)
          Conditional Offer: 1/15/10
          BackgroundInt: 2/1/10
          Medical:2/15/10
          MedicalReview: 4/15/10
          FIT: 5/10/10 (Excellent)
          Drug: 6/5/10
          Fletc: APRIL 6, 2011!!!
          Duty Station: Laredo,Tx

          __________________________________________________ ______________________________
          Border Patrol AgentApplied: 11/15/10
          Written: 12/27/10
          NOR: 12/29/10 (96)
          To:
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          • Originally posted by jtl323 View Post
            Im not going to knock the college kids, not sure who was. But i will agree, its on the Marshals for hiring them. But....its a safety issue for those of us working, and if you get the job you will care then. There is a reason most police departments and sheriff's offices have a mandatory experience period before you can join SWAT. College kids have as much business joining the USMS and being on the streets 6 months later as does someone getting their pilots license and wanting to fly combat jets over Iraq next week. The USMS is losing its edge because they are hiring more people without life experience. The USMS is supposed to be the "next evolution" for highly trained military and law enforcement personnel, much as Delta Force only pulls from the experienced ranks of Ranger and SF cadre.

            Let me tell you this, and i dont exaggerate one bit. I work in an office of 20-25 Marshals. Out of that , perhaps 10% have LEO experience, 25% have military. The rest are college kids/Co-ops, where this is their first job ever holding a gun, a position of authority, and sometimes a real job where they arent wearing a nametag and hairnet. I have seen tactics that would make a police recruit in FTO proud of their accomplishments, and these tactics come from people with 5-10+ years on the job. People who take 5 pulls to get their guns out of the holster. People who cant clear a room . People whose blood pressure spikes and adrenaline dumps at the slightest incident, whereas a calm , cool, professional barely bats an eye. The biggest problem with this is that these people DONT KNOW WHAT THEY DONT KNOW. A police rookie is a sponge wanting you to throw water at him. People in the USMS with no prior experience think that they are badasses and the cream of the crop because they went through BDUSM and it was drilled into them that we are the best of the best. We are watering down our liquor here folks, and pretty soon you wont be able to get a buzz from it. If you DO join the agency, PLEASE be careful. There is a growing percentage of ex-cops/military who are starting to refuse to work streets ONLY because of the safety factor, and they are tired of looking up at their co-op partner who has their gun pointed at their head while they are handcuffing someone on the ground.

            Disclaimer: Before someone accuses me of being a negative nancy, this does not apply across the board to all offices, some offices have 90% experienced people and they are high speed low drag. But you dont know where you will end up, and some of the offices have so much drag they would prevent the space shuttle from lifting off.

            Happy Monday.

            I could not agree with you more. Everything you have just said is absolutely on point. Im a Marine combat vet and I will feel very uncomfortable working with a college kid who is still ****ting out his dorm room ramen noodles. Im glad the Marshals are now hiring strictly VEOA eligibles. Hopefully it attracts those who know how to behave under immense pressure. God bless America!

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            • Originally posted by ShockTroopDevilDog View Post
              I could not agree with you more. Everything you have just said is absolutely on point. Im a Marine combat vet and I will feel very uncomfortable working with a college kid who is still ****ting out his dorm room ramen noodles. Im glad the Marshals are now hiring strictly VEOA eligibles. Hopefully it attracts those who know how to behave under immense pressure. God bless America!
              While I wholeheartedly agree that vets should get first crack at 1811 gigs, I am not happy about the Vet-only hiring. I have been a Local LEO for 4 years, speak 4 languages, and also will have a Master's degree in 4 weeks time. I would love to work for the Marshals but I guess I am out of the running as I am not a veteran. I feel as though I am more than qualified, but if the status quo remains, I may never get a shot.

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              • Originally posted by ifaynshteyn View Post
                While I wholeheartedly agree that vets should get first crack at 1811 gigs, I am not happy about the Vet-only hiring. I have been a Local LEO for 4 years, speak 4 languages, and also will have a Master's degree in 4 weeks time. I would love to work for the Marshals but I guess I am out of the running as I am not a veteran. I feel as though I am more than qualified, but if the status quo remains, I may never get a shot.
                I agree. I think vets AND LEOs should be on equal footing. I mean absolutely NO disrespect, but you could have been a cook in the army in a combat zone and qualify as a "vet", but this doesnt mean you should get the job over a guy thats been in the trenches as a cop for years. In fairness, if your cop experience was as a School resource officer in a sleepy jurisdiction, you shouldnt get points for that either. We need a hiring system that examines the actual individual experience rather than blanket qualifications.
                USMS Region 3
                Info Session: Aug 2009 (Atlanta)
                Interview: 10/26/09 (Atlanta)
                Conditional Offer: 1/15/10
                BackgroundInt: 2/1/10
                Medical:2/15/10
                MedicalReview: 4/15/10
                FIT: 5/10/10 (Excellent)
                Drug: 6/5/10
                Fletc: APRIL 6, 2011!!!
                Duty Station: Laredo,Tx

                __________________________________________________ ______________________________
                Border Patrol AgentApplied: 11/15/10
                Written: 12/27/10
                NOR: 12/29/10 (96)
                To:
                Medical:

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                • On a positive and thread-oriented discussion, the USMS just announced that they are going to be implementing an external agency recruitment for USMS to current government employees. It appears that they may be recruiting 1811's at the Gs 11/12 marker rather than the usual 7/9, but no confirmation on that yet. This announcement should be coming to USAJOBS soon, will keep you posted.
                  USMS Region 3
                  Info Session: Aug 2009 (Atlanta)
                  Interview: 10/26/09 (Atlanta)
                  Conditional Offer: 1/15/10
                  BackgroundInt: 2/1/10
                  Medical:2/15/10
                  MedicalReview: 4/15/10
                  FIT: 5/10/10 (Excellent)
                  Drug: 6/5/10
                  Fletc: APRIL 6, 2011!!!
                  Duty Station: Laredo,Tx

                  __________________________________________________ ______________________________
                  Border Patrol AgentApplied: 11/15/10
                  Written: 12/27/10
                  NOR: 12/29/10 (96)
                  To:
                  Medical:

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                  • Originally posted by ifaynshteyn View Post
                    While I wholeheartedly agree that vets should get first crack at 1811 gigs, I am not happy about the Vet-only hiring. I have been a Local LEO for 4 years, speak 4 languages, and also will have a Master's degree in 4 weeks time. I would love to work for the Marshals but I guess I am out of the running as I am not a veteran. I feel as though I am more than qualified, but if the status quo remains, I may never get a shot.
                    Also just to throw in my two cents... I've seen some vets in law enforcement who if you just saw the way they operated you wouldn't believe they had any military experience. Same for college grads, there's some I've met who are motivated and do a great job.

                    I wouldn't make these sweeping generalizations about vets vs. those only with college or former cops vs. Whoever. What hasn't been mentioned is that vets and former cops (myself a Marine vet and current cop with a degree) also bring bad habits with us. So having some experience in the LE/school/military arenas I think it's important to know that you can't always recruit ideal candidates, a good cop doesn't always = a great 1811.

                    So with that in mind I think it's important to draw from all areas (grads/military/LEOs) and not recruit from one pool exclusively. It's that diversity of experience that brings strength to an organization.

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                    • Generalizing in regards to college kids in regards to how their experience or lack thereof is probably bad business and not productive no matter which side you fall on. I've always believed that the most experienced guys in any agency have an obligation to reach back and help those younger possibly more inexperienced guys get prepared so they don't bat an eyelash when shizzle does go down.

                      It's one thing to complain about the problem but the reality is these "college kids" aren't going anywhere in terms of hiring, so what are you doing in your agency to help solve the problem? This is more of a rhetorical thought provoking question than anything, so please no one take offense or think this is a directed attack because it is not.

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                      • Originally posted by AlwaysReady2000 View Post
                        Also just to throw in my two cents... I've seen some vets in law enforcement who if you just saw the way they operated you wouldn't believe they had any military experience. Same for college grads, there's some I've met who are motivated and do a great job.

                        I wouldn't make these sweeping generalizations about vets vs. those only with college or former cops vs. Whoever. What hasn't been mentioned is that vets and former cops (myself a Marine vet and current cop with a degree) also bring bad habits with us. So having some experience in the LE/school/military arenas I think it's important to know that you can't always recruit ideal candidates, a good cop doesn't always = a great 1811.

                        So with that in mind I think it's important to draw from all areas (grads/military/LEOs) and not recruit from one pool exclusively. It's that diversity of experience that brings strength to an organization.
                        I will agree with most of this. In my former life as a cop, i was an FTO. The cops that i trained that were the easiest to train and most receptive were the clean, no experience, " no bad habit" rookies. Common sense would imply this would translate to the USMS, HOWEVER...the USMS academy and the USMS FTO program ( exists mainly only on paper) are NOT set up or suited to give people a foundation in law enforcement to build a house upon. The USMS academy IMHO was far worse than my police academy, and my academy was NOT a high speed academy like some agencies are now offering these days. So, you get fresh DUSMs in here without the foundation to build on, and once they graduate the academy there is no FTO program, new DUSMs go sit in court for xx time, and by the time they hit the streets they have forgotten most of what little they learned, and what little they learned is just enough to get them in serious trouble. If im training a rookie to ride a squad and do jump outs on gang bangers and traffic stops, give me someone i can mold who has had a good basic academy. If im getting a partner in the USMS, within a very short time he is expected to be performing at close-to SWAT standards, or at the very least an ad-hoc SWAT/rapid response team, i need someone who knows the business already. This is why i advicate an in depth experience analysis rather than a blanket " oh youre a vet?"
                        Last edited by jtl323; 03-28-2016, 09:54 AM.
                        USMS Region 3
                        Info Session: Aug 2009 (Atlanta)
                        Interview: 10/26/09 (Atlanta)
                        Conditional Offer: 1/15/10
                        BackgroundInt: 2/1/10
                        Medical:2/15/10
                        MedicalReview: 4/15/10
                        FIT: 5/10/10 (Excellent)
                        Drug: 6/5/10
                        Fletc: APRIL 6, 2011!!!
                        Duty Station: Laredo,Tx

                        __________________________________________________ ______________________________
                        Border Patrol AgentApplied: 11/15/10
                        Written: 12/27/10
                        NOR: 12/29/10 (96)
                        To:
                        Medical:

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                        • Originally posted by ShockTroopDevilDog View Post
                          I could not agree with you more. Everything you have just said is absolutely on point. Im a Marine combat vet and I will feel very uncomfortable working with a college kid who is still ****ting out his dorm room ramen noodles. Im glad the Marshals are now hiring strictly VEOA eligibles. Hopefully it attracts those who know how to behave under immense pressure. God bless America!
                          Where does this "Marshals are hiring strictly VEOA eligibles" come from? Are we just referencing the last announcement, or is there some credible info that would lead us to believe that the coming announcements and recent grad opportunities will be vet only?

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                          • I was given the chance to interview and I'm not a LEO or VEOA eligible.

                            I'm only a fed employee with BA.


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                            • Originally posted by Lunytunezpr View Post
                              I was given the chance to interview and I'm not a LEO or VEOA eligible.

                              I'm only a fed employee with BA.


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                              That's very encouraging to hear for us non-vets.

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                              • Originally posted by jonesdr View Post
                                Where does this "Marshals are hiring strictly VEOA eligibles" come from? Are we just referencing the last announcement, or is there some credible info that would lead us to believe that the coming announcements and recent grad opportunities will be vet only?
                                From the official memo:
                                "As we evaluate the effectiveness of the new selection process, upcoming announcements will likely continue to be restricted to current/eligible government employees. Opening to the larger "All Citizens" population remains an option which we will implement if the applicant pools are not sufficient with this initial effort."

                                The only "credible info" I have seen pertaining to who can apply.

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