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  • #31
    Yeah. Don't see how they could hire just "one". Surely can't put a single person through an entire FAM training academy.

    I'm hoping that there will be an open process (somebody mentioned Jan 6th)...

    Random question for any FAMs who may be on this board. How hot or hard of an office is the Dallas Field Office. I'm Texan by heart; is this a highly desired spot and reserved for those with high seniority?

    Thanks! Exciting guys...hopefully they'll hire! I'm ready!

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    • #32
      The link for the Arlington Transportation Security Specialist is not for the position of Federal Air Marshal. From what I see, there is no posting on USAjobs for an actual Federal Air Marshal.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bliskin View Post
        The link for the Arlington Transportation Security Specialist is not for the position of Federal Air Marshal. From what I see, there is no posting on USAjobs for an actual Federal Air Marshal.
        Ha. Had a feeling that was the case.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Texas343 View Post
          Yeah. Don't see how they could hire just "one". Surely can't put a single person through an entire FAM training academy.

          I'm hoping that there will be an open process (somebody mentioned Jan 6th)...

          Random question for any FAMs who may be on this board. How hot or hard of an office is the Dallas Field Office. I'm Texan by heart; is this a highly desired spot and reserved for those with high seniority?

          Thanks! Exciting guys...hopefully they'll hire! I'm ready!

          Texas, I used to be a FAM. I resigned about 8 months ago for a 1811 spot. I posted this response in the old FAMS thread.....hopefully sheds some light for you. To keep it short....you wont EVER be going to Dallas. If they hire again (and I doubt they will) you will be going to Newark, DC, or New York. Hope this helps. Here is my old post:

          I did four years at the FAMS. Have no regrets about going there or leaving. It is what it is, but please lets not forget some of the down sides. The first being the biggest for some. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE YOUR OFFICE AFTER A FEW YEARS TO TRANSFER. This may not be a big deal to some and I am not making this up to scare people. If you like NYC or DC that's fine. I hope you will like them 5-10 years from now with a family as well because you will not go to another office. Again I am not saying this to be mean or scare people away. Just speaking the truth. I left a few months ago. I have many friends still inside. Again not a bad job if you know what it is. The training there is also very good and I enjoyed my time there but do your research before hand. I knew what the job was going in (alot of flying and sitting) and was fine with that reality. I didn't mind sucking it up for a few years before moving on to another job, but some people will and will complain constantly. If you will be that guy, probably best to not apply.

          95K plus 12-20k per diem is great in a big city. But imagine how much further that money goes outside of DC or NYC. Making that money in DC or NYC is equal to alot less in a city like Nashville or Milwaukee. That's another reason why people leave, better locations at another agency and being able to transfer after 5-8 years if they get stuck somewhere in new agency they dont like. Also most 1811's top at a GS13-10 before promotions which does have FAMS beat in terms of overall salary (yes even if you include the per diem, which as a FYI does NOT count towards your retirement top 3). A 13-10 is 95k BASE PAY before LEAP and Locality. Add those in and even in small cities, your salary will be about 135K. FAM I Band is 77k before LEAP and Locality and you will stay at that pretty much give or take a few grand for your whole career. So yes, most make the jump to make more. Not so sure why anyone would say you get a cost of living increase yearly. That's controlled by Congress or the President. In four years at FAMS I think I got one 1 percent increase. All I'm saying is dont bank on that yearly. Also FAMS don't make straight overtime (time and a half). They make a FLSA differential.

          Transfers do not happen at FAMS. HQ gigs (which are in DC) are possible but after getting you down there by saying you will get to pick your office after 5 years, they still ultimately send you where they want based on the needs of the agency, which is again DC or NYC. This isnt a bad thing, just a thing people tend to get mad about because they believe they will be able to transfer within a few years by doing time at HQ. DONT THINK THAT, YOU WONT. If you have that attitude you will be fine.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by DaShwstoppahbk View Post
            Texas, I used to be a FAM. I resigned about 8 months ago for a 1811 spot. I posted this response in the old FAMS thread.....hopefully sheds some light for you. To keep it short....you wont EVER be going to Dallas. If they hire again (and I doubt they will) you will be going to Newark, DC, or New York. Hope this helps. Here is my old post:

            I did four years at the FAMS. Have no regrets about going there or leaving. It is what it is, but please lets not forget some of the down sides. The first being the biggest for some. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE YOUR OFFICE AFTER A FEW YEARS TO TRANSFER. This may not be a big deal to some and I am not making this up to scare people. If you like NYC or DC that's fine. I hope you will like them 5-10 years from now with a family as well because you will not go to another office. Again I am not saying this to be mean or scare people away. Just speaking the truth. I left a few months ago. I have many friends still inside. Again not a bad job if you know what it is. The training there is also very good and I enjoyed my time there but do your research before hand. I knew what the job was going in (alot of flying and sitting) and was fine with that reality. I didn't mind sucking it up for a few years before moving on to another job, but some people will and will complain constantly. If you will be that guy, probably best to not apply.

            95K plus 12-20k per diem is great in a big city. But imagine how much further that money goes outside of DC or NYC. Making that money in DC or NYC is equal to alot less in a city like Nashville or Milwaukee. That's another reason why people leave, better locations at another agency and being able to transfer after 5-8 years if they get stuck somewhere in new agency they dont like. Also most 1811's top at a GS13-10 before promotions which does have FAMS beat in terms of overall salary (yes even if you include the per diem, which as a FYI does NOT count towards your retirement top 3). A 13-10 is 95k BASE PAY before LEAP and Locality. Add those in and even in small cities, your salary will be about 135K. FAM I Band is 77k before LEAP and Locality and you will stay at that pretty much give or take a few grand for your whole career. So yes, most make the jump to make more. Not so sure why anyone would say you get a cost of living increase yearly. That's controlled by Congress or the President. In four years at FAMS I think I got one 1 percent increase. All I'm saying is dont bank on that yearly. Also FAMS don't make straight overtime (time and a half). They make a FLSA differential.

            Transfers do not happen at FAMS. HQ gigs (which are in DC) are possible but after getting you down there by saying you will get to pick your office after 5 years, they still ultimately send you where they want based on the needs of the agency, which is again DC or NYC. This isnt a bad thing, just a thing people tend to get mad about because they believe they will be able to transfer within a few years by doing time at HQ. DONT THINK THAT, YOU WONT. If you have that attitude you will be fine.
            That assessment is 100% correct, no transfers, few opportunities other than seeing the world for free. The 1st time in Paris is awesome, the 45th time, the allure wears off a bit. Great place to stop your clock and make some good cash.
            You will have to leave the agency to move from the cities the poster listed.
            Last edited by Esco; 12-24-2015, 10:44 PM.

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            • #36
              Thanks Esco and DaShwstoppahbk (btw, I PM'd you).

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              • #37
                Originally posted by DaShwstoppahbk View Post
                Texas, I used to be a FAM. I resigned about 8 months ago for a 1811 spot. I posted this response in the old FAMS thread.....hopefully sheds some light for you. To keep it short....you wont EVER be going to Dallas. If they hire again (and I doubt they will) you will be going to Newark, DC, or New York. Hope this helps. Here is my old post:

                I did four years at the FAMS. Have no regrets about going there or leaving. It is what it is, but please lets not forget some of the down sides. The first being the biggest for some. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE YOUR OFFICE AFTER A FEW YEARS TO TRANSFER. This may not be a big deal to some and I am not making this up to scare people. If you like NYC or DC that's fine. I hope you will like them 5-10 years from now with a family as well because you will not go to another office. Again I am not saying this to be mean or scare people away. Just speaking the truth. I left a few months ago. I have many friends still inside. Again not a bad job if you know what it is. The training there is also very good and I enjoyed my time there but do your research before hand. I knew what the job was going in (alot of flying and sitting) and was fine with that reality. I didn't mind sucking it up for a few years before moving on to another job, but some people will and will complain constantly. If you will be that guy, probably best to not apply.

                95K plus 12-20k per diem is great in a big city. But imagine how much further that money goes outside of DC or NYC. Making that money in DC or NYC is equal to alot less in a city like Nashville or Milwaukee. That's another reason why people leave, better locations at another agency and being able to transfer after 5-8 years if they get stuck somewhere in new agency they dont like. Also most 1811's top at a GS13-10 before promotions which does have FAMS beat in terms of overall salary (yes even if you include the per diem, which as a FYI does NOT count towards your retirement top 3). A 13-10 is 95k BASE PAY before LEAP and Locality. Add those in and even in small cities, your salary will be about 135K. FAM I Band is 77k before LEAP and Locality and you will stay at that pretty much give or take a few grand for your whole career. So yes, most make the jump to make more. Not so sure why anyone would say you get a cost of living increase yearly. That's controlled by Congress or the President. In four years at FAMS I think I got one 1 percent increase. All I'm saying is dont bank on that yearly. Also FAMS don't make straight overtime (time and a half). They make a FLSA differential.

                Transfers do not happen at FAMS. HQ gigs (which are in DC) are possible but after getting you down there by saying you will get to pick your office after 5 years, they still ultimately send you where they want based on the needs of the agency, which is again DC or NYC. This isnt a bad thing, just a thing people tend to get mad about because they believe they will be able to transfer within a few years by doing time at HQ. DONT THINK THAT, YOU WONT. If you have that attitude you will be fine.

                As a former FAM, he nailed it! I had fun for 4 years, but I also jumped ship 3 years ago.
                Last edited by UCLA1998; 12-25-2015, 08:24 AM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DaShwstoppahbk View Post
                  Texas, I used to be a FAM. I resigned about 8 months ago for a 1811 spot. I posted this response in the old FAMS thread.....hopefully sheds some light for you. To keep it short....you wont EVER be going to Dallas. If they hire again (and I doubt they will) you will be going to Newark, DC, or New York. Hope this helps. Here is my old post:

                  I did four years at the FAMS. Have no regrets about going there or leaving. It is what it is, but please lets not forget some of the down sides. The first being the biggest for some. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE YOUR OFFICE AFTER A FEW YEARS TO TRANSFER. This may not be a big deal to some and I am not making this up to scare people. If you like NYC or DC that's fine. I hope you will like them 5-10 years from now with a family as well because you will not go to another office. Again I am not saying this to be mean or scare people away. Just speaking the truth. I left a few months ago. I have many friends still inside. Again not a bad job if you know what it is. The training there is also very good and I enjoyed my time there but do your research before hand. I knew what the job was going in (alot of flying and sitting) and was fine with that reality. I didn't mind sucking it up for a few years before moving on to another job, but some people will and will complain constantly. If you will be that guy, probably best to not apply.

                  95K plus 12-20k per diem is great in a big city. But imagine how much further that money goes outside of DC or NYC. Making that money in DC or NYC is equal to alot less in a city like Nashville or Milwaukee. That's another reason why people leave, better locations at another agency and being able to transfer after 5-8 years if they get stuck somewhere in new agency they dont like. Also most 1811's top at a GS13-10 before promotions which does have FAMS beat in terms of overall salary (yes even if you include the per diem, which as a FYI does NOT count towards your retirement top 3). A 13-10 is 95k BASE PAY before LEAP and Locality. Add those in and even in small cities, your salary will be about 135K. FAM I Band is 77k before LEAP and Locality and you will stay at that pretty much give or take a few grand for your whole career. So yes, most make the jump to make more. Not so sure why anyone would say you get a cost of living increase yearly. That's controlled by Congress or the President. In four years at FAMS I think I got one 1 percent increase. All I'm saying is dont bank on that yearly. Also FAMS don't make straight overtime (time and a half). They make a FLSA differential.

                  Transfers do not happen at FAMS. HQ gigs (which are in DC) are possible but after getting you down there by saying you will get to pick your office after 5 years, they still ultimately send you where they want based on the needs of the agency, which is again DC or NYC. This isnt a bad thing, just a thing people tend to get mad about because they believe they will be able to transfer within a few years by doing time at HQ. DONT THINK THAT, YOU WONT. If you have that attitude you will be fine.
                  Appreciate the reality check . I might or might not apply.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Texas343 View Post
                    Are you referring to this?

                    https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/423902500

                    Is this one of those "security" positions or is this an actual FAM spot? Also curious, what makes you say January 6th? I sure hope so though!

                    As stated time and time again......those are NOT LE/FAM gigs....those are support gigs and they won't help you get into a FAM slot when/if they ever open......

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DaShwstoppahbk View Post
                      you will be going to Newark, DC, or New York. .
                      Toss in Chicago and LA as well...... Chicago is being filled right now with folks coming from closing offices.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                        As stated time and time again......those are NOT LE/FAM gigs....those are support gigs and they won't help you get into a FAM slot when/if they ever open......
                        Duly noted.

                        Any more speculation if this "Jan 6th" process will indeed be Veterans-only or if an open process is coming soon?

                        Stay safe guys.

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                        • #42
                          If you live in NYC, are the chances of you receiving NYC as your base location likely?

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                          • #43
                            Government-wide will be open 1/4-1/19 and general will be 1/11-1/19
                            https://tsajobs.tsa.dhs.gov


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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by echat12 View Post
                              Government-wide will be open 1/4-1/19 and general will be 1/11-1/19
                              https://tsajobs.tsa.dhs.gov


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                              That is awesome! By general do you mean for non-Veterans?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Usmc1586 View Post
                                I received this email today

                                Dear xxxxxxx,

                                The Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) is now hiring and looking for veterans specifically. Join this exceptional team of law enforcement professionals working to secure the homeland. The critical role of a Federal Air Marshal (FAM) requires a workforce that reflects the diverse public we protect and serve. This with a military background are urged to consider a career with the FAMS, particularly females.


                                TSA will host a virtual career fair to connect you with recruiters responsible for filling FAM positions in New York and New Jersey to start, and we encourage you to attend if you feel this may be a career of interest to you.


                                Application Requirements:

                                *** Polygraph test-new requirement*for all FAM*applicants

                                *** Successfully pass a medical*evaluation

                                *** Participate in a physical fitness assessment

                                *** Must be 21 years of*age*at time of application

                                *** Must be under the*age*of 37 at the time of appointment (exception*applies)



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                                If you don't mind me asking, did you sign up to receive these notifications from Mr. Escherich via the flyer?
                                "Independent research, reading comprehension, & a firm grasp of reality saves lives."

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