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  • Originally posted by jtl323 View Post
    Trust me. i speak from experience.....please please please dont leave local LE for FED. You will regret every minute of it. The only thing better is the money, and once you have the money it makes it imposible to take a loss and go back. If i could go back to local LE , i would in a heartbeat, its the single greatest mistake ive made.
    I also left local Leo for ICE. I locked in my retirement when I had 14 years as detective with a big city PD. Even though I miss being a "real cop", I make more money then I ever would have dreamed in law enforcement. The money the Feds pay us is crazy. I wish all the local cops could get a piece of this gravy cash making train.

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    • Originally posted by 8USC1229 View Post
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      That was a legitimate question as that is what I have been told.

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      • Originally posted by jtl323 View Post
        Trust me. i speak from experience.....please please please dont leave local LE for FED. You will regret every minute of it. The only thing better is the money, and once you have the money it makes it imposible to take a loss and go back. If i could go back to local LE , i would in a heartbeat, its the single greatest mistake ive made.
        This is a personal opinion, though. You can't possibly speak for everyone who has done this. Trust me, we all really appreciate the insight, but your thoughts on your own life transition simply can't be applied to everyone else's life. Everyone has their own desires, aspirations, and life goals.

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        • Originally posted by 8USC1229 View Post
          Then it's time for some mythbusting.
          HSI doesn't do any terrorism cases. The only "real" cases are done by FBI, and those are few and far between aside from rounding up high school kids that like to play terrorist on the internet.

          Dope? HSI doesn't do large dope cases well. They don't have the money that DEA does, and frankly, they suck at it.
          And DEA pawns off a lot of the real work onto their TFOs - so we're back to local PDs and SOs.

          Human trafficking? That would be HSI's game except REAL human trafficking cases (exploitation, slavery) are almost nonexistent (not that it's not happening, just that nobody can build a decent case on one). And nobody cares about alien smuggling. HSI's biggest game is child porn, which isn't really part of their mission at all (many/most of their cases don't have a direct border nexus), but it makes for good headlines and nobody can say that they're in favor of CP, unlike immigration or dope.

          Guns? Go to ATF, but I think we've seen how their large gun cases turn out.

          The fed is all about paperpushing. State and locals LEOs do WAY more real work than feds any day.

          Do you work for HSI? In my experience you're not very accurate on your description.

          There is a reason why HSI contributes to and the FBI wants HSI on the JTTF.

          You think people don't care about human smuggling when immigration laws and amnesty are major talking points in this election cycle.

          You think people don't care about human trafficking? There are ads on TV about it. It happens regularly.

          You think DEA is better? HSI v DEA depends on how you want to work it, the office and the prosecutor.

          You think HSI doesn't work gun cases? Have you ever heard of counter proliferation, the USML, or dual use items?

          It appears you call writing reports, search warrants, arrest warrants, and the like paper pushing. Isn't that what detectives on state/local agencies do?

          You said state and locals do WAY (emphasis added) more real work than feds any day.

          From my perspective it really all depends on what you call 'real' work.

          Do you call responding to any request for service real work? If so then how is that any different than a fed agency responding to a request for assistance from a state and local agency?

          Do you call proactive patrol real work? If so then how is that any different then the proactive cases worked by fed agencies?

          I'm not saying that state and locals are beneath feds nor am I saying they are better than the feds. I believe they compliment one another.
          Last edited by hpy1; 09-17-2015, 09:32 PM.

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          • Originally posted by hpy1 View Post
            Do you work for HSI? In my experience you're not very accurate on your description.

            There is a reason why HSI contributes to and the FBI wants HSI on the JTTF.

            You think people don't care about human smuggling when immigration laws and amnesty are major talking points in this election cycle.

            You think people don't care about human trafficking? There are ads on TV about it. It happens regularly.

            You think DEA is better? HSI v DEA depends on how you want to work it, the office and the prosecutor.

            You think HSI doesn't work gun cases? Have you ever heard of counter proliferation, the USML, or dual use items?

            It appears you call writing reports, search warrants, arrest warrants, and the like paper pushing. Isn't that what detectives on state/local agencies do?

            You said state and locals do WAY (emphasis added) more real work than feds any day.

            From my perspective it really all depends on what you call 'real' work.

            Do you call responding to any request for service real work? If so then how is that any different than a fed agency responding to a request for assistance from a state and local agency?

            Do you call proactive patrol real work? If so then how is that any different then the proactive cases worked by fed agencies?

            I'm not saying that state and locals are beneath feds nor am I saying they are better than the feds. I believe they compliment one another.
            Boom.

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            • Originally posted by 3.14 Beans View Post
              Boom.
              Exactly. Apples and oranges. Anyway, I started this thread so we can all get info on the recent announcement and what's going on with the process, not so we can argue about whether local law enforcement is better than federal law enforcement or the other way around. Who cares? Obviously, local law enforcement is better for some people and federal law enforcement is better for others. It's not a competition, and quite frankly, no one is changing anyone's mind here.

              Anyway, time to get back on topic.

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              • I've heard up to ten HSI classes next year. Historically, twenty-four to a class. That is purely RUM-INT. So take it with a grain of salt.

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                • Originally posted by 8USC1229 View Post
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                  I'm a JTTF rep for my agency and HSI isn't involved at all. We don't get along with HSI in my current location either.

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                    Originally posted by hpy1 View Post
                    Do you work for HSI? In my experience you're not very accurate on your description.

                    There is a reason why HSI contributes to and the FBI wants HSI on the JTTF.

                    You think people don't care about human smuggling when immigration laws and amnesty are major talking points in this election cycle.

                    You think people don't care about human trafficking? There are ads on TV about it. It happens regularly.

                    You think DEA is better? HSI v DEA depends on how you want to work it, the office and the prosecutor.

                    You think HSI doesn't work gun cases? Have you ever heard of counter proliferation, the USML, or dual use items?

                    It appears you call writing reports, search warrants, arrest warrants, and the like paper pushing. Isn't that what detectives on state/local agencies do?

                    You said state and locals do WAY (emphasis added) more real work than feds any day.

                    From my perspective it really all depends on what you call 'real' work.

                    Do you call responding to any request for service real work? If so then how is that any different than a fed agency responding to a request for assistance from a state and local agency?

                    Do you call proactive patrol real work? If so then how is that any different then the proactive cases worked by fed agencies?

                    I'm not saying that state and locals are beneath feds nor am I saying they are better than the feds. I believe they compliment one another.
                    I'm a JTTF rep for my agency and I've never seen HSI there. I'm not sure about other cities, but in mine HSI doesn't work well with ATF, DEA, and FBI. HSI in my jurisdiction rarely go after gun cases unless it's a 922(g)(5).They can't unless there is a interstate nexus completed by the ATF. I don't even know what HSI does out here. I've worked with DEA, FBI, NCIS, and AFOSI, but never worked with HSI.

                    But anyway, let's not take away from this thread. No need to argue about PD vs FED LE, it is what it is. Good luck to you guys/gals
                    Last edited by UCLA1998; 09-17-2015, 11:11 PM.

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                    • ktla.com/2014/09/10/feds-raid-l-a-s-fashion-district-in-drug-money-laundering-probe-2

                      There's HSI!

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                      • Originally posted by howlongdoihavetowaitforthis View Post
                        ktla.com/2014/09/10/feds-raid-l-a-s-fashion-district-in-drug-money-laundering-probe-2

                        There's HSI!
                        They had to return a lot of that seizure.

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                        • You mean the cash they stuffed in their pockets? =X LOL JK

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                          • You get what you put into the job. If you're a slug, you won't do anything. If you're a go getter, you will get cases and do cool ****.

                            Back on topic, the guys we sent to FLETC are on a 3 month kick with extensions available. So make of that what you will.
                            Last edited by onmygo; 09-20-2015, 02:30 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by UCLA1998 View Post
                              I'm a JTTF rep for my agency and HSI isn't involved at all. We don't get along with HSI in my current location either.
                              Interesting - I can't comment as I obviously don't have specifics. Is it personality differences or what? What agency you work for? I am only asking because I know lots of guys/gals at CBP and USBP that say they hate ICE-HSI. I am constantly amazed as to their reasons. Many people don't even have a sound argument and/or reasoning. Some 'hate' us because they've been trained to hate us. ICE-ERO instructors have told their trainees that they believe HSI agents are overpaid pre-madonas that don't do a thing. Why would an instructor at FLETC talk poorly about another agency within ICE? or even DHS? Each agency has their own role which is equally as important as the next. There are things the state and locals can do to help HSI and HSI to help them. There are things ERO can do to help HSI and HSI can do to help ERO etc. etc. If, as law enforcement officers, we want to protect our communities then we need work together and have mutual respect for one another. You get out of relationships what you put into relationships.
                              Last edited by hpy1; 09-19-2015, 09:46 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by UCLA1998 View Post
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                                I'm a JTTF rep for my agency and I've never seen HSI there. I'm not sure about other cities, but in mine HSI doesn't work well with ATF, DEA, and FBI. HSI in my jurisdiction rarely go after gun cases unless it's a 922(g)(5).They can't unless there is a interstate nexus completed by the ATF. I don't even know what HSI does out here. I've worked with DEA, FBI, NCIS, and AFOSI, but never worked with HSI.

                                But anyway, let's not take away from this thread. No need to argue about PD vs FED LE, it is what it is. Good luck to you guys/gals

                                So I'm guessing you know this already but just in case you don't, no federal law enforcement agency can prosecute a 18 USC 922 case without a nexus determination from ATF. None, not FBI, not DEA, none at all. In my AOR HSI works with everyone. So I don't know what the issue is in each of your areas.
                                Last edited by hpy1; 09-19-2015, 09:56 AM.

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