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    For those of you on here whose agencies are accredited, does it really make a difference in your day-to-day operations? Does it make your department better?

    Or is CALEA similar to the Better Business Bureau of law enforcement since a annual fee is involved?

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    In my experience, it means that your policies are designed to prevent law enforcement officers from doing their jobs in almost every way possible.

    And you get to buy stickers and pins from the accreditation agency.

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    • #3
      If your agency is squared away it's a waste of time/money. It's all show with no go!
      Strong Body, Sharp Mind And Good Tactics!

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      • #4
        Haven't worked for one that wasn't but having worked for one that is I believe it's a joke.

        It gives all the over the hill, over paid administrative type something to do post retirement. It's bad enough that their idea's typically hindered the department while they were employed there but they come back under the guise of "certification" to continue to destroy common sense policies.

        We have ledger books that keep the same information that our computer system keeps because "CALEA" requires a written ledger. We have to keep paper documents in a paperless system because "CALEA" requires it.

        They come in once every 4 years or so and fix things that were never broken while NEVER addressing any actual issues. Last time they came by they were not thrilled with some of the post configurations because some of our patrol area's for one car is the size of some of our precincts. No one ever got around to looking into it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by hangman View Post
          For those of you on here whose agencies are accredited, does it really make a difference in your day-to-day operations? Does it make your department better?

          Or is CALEA similar to the Better Business Bureau of law enforcement since a annual fee is involved?
          It triples the paperwork and quadruples the policies that have to be adhered to .
          Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

          My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Name Taken View Post
            Haven't worked for one that wasn't but having worked for one that is I believe it's a joke.
            I've worked for both; it's a joke.
            Originally posted by Name Taken View Post
            It gives all the over the hill, over paid administrative type something to do post retirement. It's bad enough that their idea's typically hindered the department while they were employed there but they come back under the guise of "certification" to continue to destroy common sense policies.
            You left 'out-of-touch' out of the description but are still spot-on. Ideally, an agency can take a ROD (Retired-On-Duty) officer and make him SRO, DARE or Public Affairs to keep him out of harm's way until he retires. A real bad thing that happens in many cases is the ROD becomes an administrator or WORSE, a FTO. When a larger agency has one, they put him in charge of CALEA Compliance and he helps to develop policy. This is scary stuff.
            Originally posted by Name Taken View Post
            We have ledger books that keep the same information that our computer system keeps because "CALEA" requires a written ledger. We have to keep paper documents in a paperless system because "CALEA" requires it.
            Their redundancy is redundant.
            Originally posted by Name Taken View Post
            They come in once every 4 years or so and fix things that were never broken while NEVER addressing any actual issues.
            CALEA is an organization which was created to solve a problem that didn't really exist. Some politician's uncle or brother-in-law needed a job.

            The really sad part is that CALEA certified agencies use this as a selling-point for recruitment of new officers. College students drink this Kool-Aid and later become these over paid administrative types.

            Last edited by slamdunc; 03-02-2014, 05:40 PM.
            “This life’s hard, but it’s harder if you’re stupid.”

            George V. Higgins--The Friends of Eddie Coyle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by slamdunc View Post
              I've worked for both; it's a joke.
              You left 'out-of-touch' out of the description but are still spot-on. Ideally, an agency can take a ROD (Retired-On-Duty) officer and make him SRO, DARE or Public Affairs to keep him out of harm's way until he retires. A real bad thing that happens in many cases is the ROD becomes an administrator or WORSE, a FTO. When a larger agency has one, they put him in charge of CALEA Compliance and he helps to develop policy. This is scary stuff.
              Their redundancy is redundant.
              CALEA is an organization which was created to solve a problem that didn't really exist. Some politician's uncle or brother-in-law needed a job.

              The really sad part is that CALEA certified agencies use this as a selling-point for recruitment of new officers. College students drink this Kool-Aid and later become these over paid administrative types.

              SRO out of harms way? LOL, must have missed the last gazillion school shootings huh?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LadyKiller View Post
                SRO out of harms way? LOL, must have missed the last gazillion school shootings huh?
                I wasn't taking a swipe at SROs; many people volunteer for that position and want to be there to do some good. I was pointing out that administrative consideration can be a funny thing when it comes to assigning a ROD.

                “This life’s hard, but it’s harder if you’re stupid.”

                George V. Higgins--The Friends of Eddie Coyle

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                • #9
                  I remember when many federal investigative agencies looked into getting CALEA certified. In the end, most decided it was even MORE useless for the federal government (than a state or local agency) because most fed agencies with a primarily-investigative function don't do the same things - i.e. don't patrol, don't have our own jail facilities, don't have special units, internal affairs, different chains of command, etc.

                  Unfortunately, yours truly happened to work for one of the TWO federal agencies which decided to forge ahead and get CALEA accredited.

                  I remember, in order to prove we could process prisoners if we had to, taking photographs of ink and fingerprint cards to send to the evaluators...

                  I remember, in order to show we were safe and always wore our seatbelts, taking photos of another agent sitting in his GOV (in the parking garage) with his seat belt on...

                  This was right before I left the agency, so I'm sure there was some stupidity that I missed. The irony was that someone, somewhere, found an entity which could make even federal government supervisors (aka, the guys who INVENTED stupid s^&t) shake their collective heads over the ridiculous things they had to do.

                  If you're Joe Blow and want to start a law enforcement agency out of thin air, CALEA has a template for you. But otherwise, it's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.
                  "Sir, does this mean that Ann Margaret's not coming?"

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                  • #10
                    CALEA: A way for Police Chiefs and Mayors of Towns to stroke their egos, stroke something else, and proclaim to the world "We are the best Police Agency ever." "And I, Chief Blowjob, along with Mayor Shiateforbrains, were the ones that were responsible for becoming accredited as the best PD ever. "
                    Last edited by ChiTownDet; 03-03-2014, 05:12 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I think this has aided our agency. As an officer and detective, I don't think it's has created any problems or additional work. We have a couple of officers that are tasked with maintaining the necessary logs and paperwork.
                      The requirements for the "age of the fleet" have ensured that police units have been ordered in years when they probably would have been passed over due to budget constraints. CALEA probably creates more headaches for administrators and supervisors, benefits line officer more.

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                      • #12
                        CALEA is a big joke!!! If you agency arrests, takes reports, runs an academy and does everything other agencies do before it was accredited, then your agency will do all of that after accreditation.......just with way more rules. Your policy manual will balloon in size and will continue to grow as time goes by. It is a major waste of time, money and manpower. I know it gives the agency heads a sense of pride, but it is worthless.

                        I'm a taxpayer like everyone else so my suggestion to my agency was to get all of the CALEA paraphernalia and have an in-house "fix" based on their suggestions. Then after the initial and continuing fixes will stay in-house without having to continually pay for the program. I don't see anything wrong with our agency heads having competent guidance, but I just don't want the mess that I'm seeing.

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                        • #13
                          CALEA is a big joke!!! If you agency arrests, takes reports, runs an academy and does everything other agencies do before it was accredited, then your agency will do all of that after accreditation.......just with way more rules. Your policy manual will balloon in size and will continue to grow as time goes by. It is a major waste of time, money and manpower. I know it gives the agency heads a sense of pride, but it is worthless.

                          I'm a taxpayer like everyone else so my suggestion to my agency was to get all of the CALEA paraphernalia and have an in-house "fix" based on their suggestions. Then after the initial and continuing fixes will stay in-house without having to continually pay for the program. I don't see anything wrong with our agency heads having competent guidance, but I just don't want the mess that I'm seeing.

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                          • #14
                            Our new colonel wants to go to it. He says that it will give more credibility to the agency. I don't see how if I didn't know it existed before he mentioned it, how a citizen would care at all and make me more credible in their eyes. One of the guys said that it would require us to get a supervisors approval before any arrest. Anyone know if that's true?

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