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  • 20NOutLife
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    Does uspo get overtime pay or is it leave the work till tomorrow scenario? I know that they can work at Home. Is it a suit and tie outfit everyday or is there uniforms? All the uspo I seen wore business attires. Thanks

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  • 20NOutLife
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    Rest in peace nypd officer Brian Moore #469

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  • PSOSAC
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    Originally posted by 20NOutLife View Post
    PSOSAC,

    Ok, I'm trying to understand this. If I was to get hired at the GL 25 step 1, after a year, I will be GL 26/1, then after another year, I will be GL27/1, then another year, I will be GL28/1. Then the default steps kicks in every 6 months while in developmental range and then every year at full performance range. And the journeyman level is GL28. This is without any chiefs influences or Quality Step Increase, etc. Just the normal progression period. Also, GL 25 and GL 26 is at law enforcement rates but GL 27- 28 is at normal pay? I just want to calculate what the salary will be like if I decide to take the job. Thank you very much for your help.
    You will be suubject to default two step increases every six months while in the developemental range in any classification level. When your sup or chief feels your work warrants it, you'll be promoted to the next level in the developemental range. Typically, every year until you reach 28.

    Also, dont ask why, but we are paid on the non- leo CL scale...
    Last edited by PSOSAC; 05-05-2015, 02:21 AM.

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  • 20NOutLife
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    Also one more question, It said that the US courts is considered an excepted service. Ive been researching it and maybe a USPO can clarify this. Is there a big difference between excepted service and competitive service beside the hiring process. Once a person finishes the probation period, are they offered the same civil services rights and protection as other federal employee or is it completely at the will of the district/chief. Just wondering what the job security is. Thank you

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  • dsb05c
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    Yeah I honestly couldn't tell you. I just know that the developmental stage takes a lot longer to get out that it used to when they changed the payscales.

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  • 20NOutLife
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    Thanks, I meant the CL* scale in my previous post. I'm just trying to understand the pay structure, but it seems like it's up to the chief to choose the pay you start at. I just wanted to know if I start at CL 25 step 1. How long would it take for me to get to CL 28, I understand how the steps increases work, but not the grade increase. Without any chief discretion. Thanks
    Originally posted by dsb05c View Post
    It's not the GL system and court payscale is different. As PSOSAC noted, pay is very much up to each district. I still don't know how I started at CL25 and now at a CL 28. Not sure when I changed over. I started as a POA and got bumped up to line officer 4 years ago. Chiefs can bring people in higher or lower. You can transfer and chief will can say we will take you but not at your current salary.

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  • dsb05c
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    It's not the GL system and court payscale is different. As PSOSAC noted, pay is very much up to each district. I still don't know how I started at CL25 and now at a CL 28. Not sure when I changed over. I started as a POA and got bumped up to line officer 4 years ago. Chiefs can bring people in higher or lower. You can transfer and chief will can say we will take you but not at your current salary.

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  • 20NOutLife
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    PSOSAC,

    Ok, I'm trying to understand this. If I was to get hired at the GL 25 step 1, after a year, I will be GL 26/1, then after another year, I will be GL27/1, then another year, I will be GL28/1. Then the default steps kicks in every 6 months while in developmental range and then every year at full performance range. And the journeyman level is GL28. This is without any chiefs influences or Quality Step Increase, etc. Just the normal progression period. Also, GL 25 and GL 26 is at law enforcement rates but GL 27- 28 is at normal pay? I just want to calculate what the salary will be like if I decide to take the job. Thank you very much for your help.

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  • PSOSAC
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    Originally posted by 20NOutLife View Post
    hi everybody, ive been researching and I cant seem to find the actual payscale for USPO. I know its starts at gl 25- gl27 and gl28 is considered a specialist. But on the uscourt.gov, it only gives the pay structure for gl 25-gl 26 under LEO pay. How is the progression work, starts off at gl 25, then after one year to gl 26 and then another yr to gl 27 and then competitive promotion to SPECIALIST/ GL28? It just a little confusing. Thanks for any help.
    It all depends on the districts hiring practices. Some districts like hiring those with a little less experience at 25's. Then you slowly progress up to a 28, typically one grade per year. There are default steps while in the developemental range (2steps every six months); however, chiefs have the ability to override. Other districts only hire 28's (mine included). 28 is the full performance level for a line officer. Once out of the developemental range the default step is 1 step per year. Specialists are typically 28 - 29's. Supervisors are typically 29 - 30's. Hope this helps!

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  • 20NOutLife
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    hi everybody, ive been researching and I cant seem to find the actual payscale for USPO. I know its starts at gl 25- gl27 and gl28 is considered a specialist. But on the uscourt.gov, it only gives the pay structure for gl 25-gl 26 under LEO pay. How is the progression work, starts off at gl 25, then after one year to gl 26 and then another yr to gl 27 and then competitive promotion to SPECIALIST/ GL28? It just a little confusing. Thanks for any help.

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  • HMCN
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    Really good to know there is hope. Thanks guys.

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  • GBP_12
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    I'll echo GA12, I've never served as a P/P officer before and I have an interview today. I have some CO experience and a Masters in CJ. You never know until you try. They worst they say is no thanks and at that point at least you know the answer. Nothing hurts more that what if.

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  • GA12
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    Originally posted by HMCN View Post
    That is unfortunate, but it is what it is. Thanks for the info guys.
    I'd still put in for it. My old district would interview CO's and cops. If you've got some stories to tell in an interview and some good experience you might be able to land it. Good luck.

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  • HMCN
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    Originally posted by Nola504 View Post
    This is exactly correct. What he said. It is kind of unfortunate; however, it really does not apply to what PO's do.
    That is unfortunate, but it is what it is. Thanks for the info guys.

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  • Nola504
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    Originally posted by PSOSAC View Post
    Unfortunately, no, it will not count as experience. Most announcements will specifically state the following, or something close to it:

    A minimum of two years of progressively responsible casework experience in the investigation or supervision of offenders as a probation, parole or pre-trial services officer is required. Experience earned in a detention or correctional facility, or residential treatment program, is not considered to be qualifying experience. Experience must be earned subsequent to the awarding of the bachelor's degree. Preferred experience includes: Preparing presentence reports for the court and supervising offenders in the community. Supervision experience should include knowledge of evidence based practices in community corrections; these include, but are not limited to, risk assessment, risk-based supervision, cognitive behavioral treatment and motivational interviewing techniques.
    This is exactly correct. What he said. It is kind of unfortunate; however, it really does not apply to what PO's do.

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