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  • 1811's in the Cyber Arena

    I've noticed that a few agencies (FBI and AFOSI at least) seem to be emphasizing computer related experience in their application processes and cyber seems to be the "big thing" right now in general.

    Can any current or former 1811's share what an 1811 brought on board for cyber skills would end up doing? Is the day to day that much different than an investigator in, say, a financial crime related field?

    My guess is that both are predominantly in the office- one poring over financial records, the other over computer matters but it would be great to know for certain.

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    Not sure if you will find an 1811 to answer this but I know an officer who does digital forensic and he basically always has way more work than he can handle. You basically get all devices/media related to a case with or without a search warrant and analyze them. For example, a computer, discs, memory cards, and cell phones. Then you copy the hard-drive, memory cards, etc without altering the original. Then with the copy (to keep the original unaltered for evidence sake) you analyze the data manually or run software programs to locate targeted, deleted, hidden, and/or altered files. This tends to require manually checking lists of file after file when they are sorted. It tends to be a lot of desk work.

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      Thanks Semper

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      • #4
        Originally posted by sbi_zulu View Post
        I've noticed that a few agencies (FBI and AFOSI at least) seem to be emphasizing computer related experience in their application processes and cyber seems to be the "big thing" right now in general.

        Can any current or former 1811's share what an 1811 brought on board for cyber skills would end up doing? Is the day to day that much different than an investigator in, say, a financial crime related field?

        My guess is that both are predominantly in the office- one poring over financial records, the other over computer matters but it would be great to know for certain.
        I'm not an 1811 - just a contractor and not an official, in re USG. Even so I know a good deal about computer forensic stuff. The basic ideas involve information preservation and establishment of chain of custody for evidentiary purposes.

        If I am consulted regarding seizure of machines and media and interfaces I advocate preservation of the entirety of the informational and operational states at the time of seizure and the continuation of interactional sequences (chats, VOIP conversations, email interchanges, browser and telnet and other IP or UDP sessions, etc.).

        If you're interested in specifics you can PM me or email me at [email protected].

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        • #5
          Reality is (and yes I'm an 1811) whatever skills you have will get your the interview, etc, but once you are on board most shops will put you to work where ever you are needed. There are some specific agencies, that will hire experienced 1811s for computer/cyber related positions, but by and large places like the larger ones mentioned use that as a means to hire people, then they are put into whatever group needs them.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Monty Ealerman View Post
            I'm not an 1811 - just a contractor and not an official,
            If you're interested in specifics you can PM me or email me at [email protected].
            You're not even a freaking LEO!! Anyone that would email you for advice to your bogus email address (making it look like you are a LEO) is a freaking fool.......

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            • #7
              Originally posted by izamsilas View Post
              Reality is (and yes I'm an 1811) whatever skills you have will get your the interview, etc, but once you are on board most shops will put you to work where ever you are needed. There are some specific agencies, that will hire experienced 1811s for computer/cyber related positions, but by and large places like the larger ones mentioned use that as a means to hire people, then they are put into whatever group needs them.
              I know plenty of 1811s that are great with computer stuff due to prior assignments while local cops...only to get stuck working everything but that.....especially when it comes to ICE and the FBI....

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              • #8
                That's because agencies hire with positions as opposed to collateral assignments in mind. And in the same way someone has to learn to walk before they run, an 1811 needs to learn to be a criminal investigator before they learn additional assignments, whatever they may be. And once an 1811 journeys, demonstrates competency, etc? Well, there's a variety of factors which may contribute to a sought after collateral assignment not materializing, which is why I caution people from accepting positions based upon niches.
                Last edited by Erik; 06-24-2013, 02:46 PM.

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                • #9
                  Just to add a little cred (for what it's worth), I'm a current 1811 and until recently I was in a cyber/computer crimes specific position/office. In my experience it depends on the agency. I know in some smaller agencies you could get picked up as an 1811 specifically for your cyber or computer forensics experience (two vastly different areas although both could complement each other). But to answer your question if you are hired into a Cyber Squad or division or shop (or whatever each agency calls it) you could be doing a number of things - computer intrusion (cyber) investigations, computer crimes (from child porn distribution to Nigerian scams), computer forensics in support of all cases (gen crimes, fraud, CI/CT/AT, etc).

                  As far as who is pouring over financial records and who isn’t, well, if you’re an 1811 and you're working any kind of financial crimes case you're going to be pouring over records whether they be hard copy, obtained from a business, or electronic obtained from a server. An 1811 is a criminal investigator first and foremost so you're most likely going to be running cases, again, agency dictates.

                  Personally, I think any "extra" skill will help you and cyber/computer forensics/IT may be an added bonus. Virtually every crime touches electronic media in some way - or at least has the probability to. As a matter of fact, I've seen interview questions specific to IT skills asked during interviews for a general 1811 street agent position. So I would say, in my opinion it could very well be a selling point. Bottom line, if you have two agents with the exact same skills, same qualifications, but one has a specialty...the one with the specialty would probably have a leg up. My opinion...for what is worth.

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                  • #10
                    Not an 1811 but I have a very extensive background in "cyber" both in the private sector on a cyber security team within a fortune 100 company and in digital forensics investigations for law enforcement.

                    If you have any specific questions regarding the career field please feel free to post. Just remember that when it comes to digital forensics for criminal investigations much of the material is very unpleasant....

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                    Last edited by Sam18; 06-29-2013, 07:40 PM.

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