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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by Diablo982 View Post
    What is your second career choice if an 1811 position doesn't work out? Would you be happy as an analyst or TSA employee, or something completely different like a banker or teacher? As you can probably imagine, lots of people have 1811 intentions, but very few will actually end up achieving it. Not saying you can't make it, but sometimes family situations, geographic locations, age, etc. are reasons many don't meet their goal. I would advise you to go about your life as if the Federal LEO position may or may not materialize and start you second career right now. It kind of stinks if you spend 5 years of your life "on hold" hoping to get a job that may or may not happen. I really don't think it's any advantage to be a TSA screener over a school teacher (my example.)
    Very, very well put. This is probably the advice few 1811 wannabes want to hear but need to realize. Find a job that makes you happy and develops skills to help make you competitive for 1811 positions. If an 1811 offer doesn't work out, best to be in a job you'd enjoy doing until retirement over a "stepping stone" that never pans out into an 1811 job.

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  • Diablo982
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    What is your second career choice if an 1811 position doesn't work out? Would you be happy as an analyst or TSA employee, or something completely different like a banker or teacher? As you can probably imagine, lots of people have 1811 intentions, but very few will actually end up achieving it. Not saying you can't make it, but sometimes family situations, geographic locations, age, etc. are reasons many don't meet their goal. I would advise you to go about your life as if the Federal LEO position may or may not materialize and start you second career right now. It kind of stinks if you spend 5 years of your life "on hold" hoping to get a job that may or may not happen. I really don't think it's any advantage to be a TSA screener over a school teacher (my example.)

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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by wolal View Post
    Was just told that the FBI they prefer individuals with backgrounds as Analysts over Law Enforcement (policing). Would other agencies (DEA, USSS, ATF, ICE) prefer LE over analysts? Also, does a candidate receive more consideration if they are already a Federal employee?
    Thanks.
    FBI is their own animal. The agencies you named (DEA, USSS, ATF, and ICE, as well as many other 1811 agencies) would rather hire a former cop, especially if they have previous criminal investigative experience. Not saying if you're a non-LE federal employee (like an analyst) that you couldn't be hired as an 1811, but since you asked about what's "preferred" LE seems to be more within my own agency and others I've worked with (including the 4 you named above).

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  • wolal
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    Was just told that the FBI they prefer individuals with backgrounds as Analysts over Law Enforcement (policing). Would other agencies (DEA, USSS, ATF, ICE) prefer LE over analysts? Also, does a candidate receive more consideration if they are already a Federal employee?
    Thanks.

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  • TheKansan
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    Originally posted by wolal View Post
    Thanks Kansan,
    I will watch BOP for openings on usajobs. Unfortunately, local LE here in Nor California is in even worse condition. In the meantime I am also looking at some local FED analyst positions just to get my foot in the door. Which agencies did you see some of the guys you work with go to?
    AFOSI, and ICE. I also saw one guy become a FAM, though that isn't an 1811 job. As for me, I am hoping to become an 1811 as well eventually, but I'm in no rush.

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  • wolal
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    Thanks Kansan,
    I will watch BOP for openings on usajobs. Unfortunately, local LE here in Nor California is in even worse condition. In the meantime I am also looking at some local FED analyst positions just to get my foot in the door. Which agencies did you see some of the guys you work with go to?

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  • TheKansan
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    BOP is not for everyone, but in my short time here I have already seen a few guys who were able to move on to 1811 spots. The other good thing is that you apply where you want to work, not where they want you to work, and with facilities throughout the country, you can be somewhere near where you like.

    Honestly, with the recent slowdown in hiring for 1811 jobs and the fierce competition, I am very glad I started here. Had I held out for the US Marshals or ICE I would be waiting for years on the outside looking in.

    Another thing that I might suggest that no one has brought up yet is local law enforcement. You can learn a lot there.

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  • Oxford30
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    Originally posted by wolal View Post
    Talked to my cousin again and he said the FBI is looking for candidates with highly-specialized backgrounds and experience. He said my degree in Criminal Justice doesn't make me stand out, because they are looking for individuals with backgrounds in certain languages, Finance, Accounting, some Sciences, and so forth. He said that his Office only received 1 new hire in the last 3 or 4 years straight out of the university and she had a J.D. Anyhow, with competition at an all-time high, would me degrees and work experience (even though it's not related to LE) help me more with other LEA's? At this point, DEA is my #1 goal, but I would be happy with any 1811 position with a LEA.
    That's because the FBI requires you to be at least 23 years old to apply for a SA position. Most college grads (that have a decent GPA and finish in 4 years) are only 21-22 years old.

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  • wolal
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    Talked to my cousin again and he said the FBI is looking for candidates with highly-specialized backgrounds and experience. He said my degree in Criminal Justice doesn't make me stand out, because they are looking for individuals with backgrounds in certain languages, Finance, Accounting, some Sciences, and so forth. He said that his Office only received 1 new hire in the last 3 or 4 years straight out of the university and she had a J.D. Anyhow, with competition at an all-time high, would me degrees and work experience (even though it's not related to LE) help me more with other LEA's? At this point, DEA is my #1 goal, but I would be happy with any 1811 position with a LEA.

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  • GreenLine
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    Correct answer - Any job that will hire you...
    +1.

    Pay the bills, do a good job, and get a great endorsement from your company via stellar performance. That's all a hiring agency will expect.

    Some of the jobs you listed as stepping stones are just as competitive as anything else in Fed LE that you might be shoting for, like police jobs. And becoming a Park Ranger is a pursuit in and of itself (not a stepping stone at all, IMO).

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  • Cyber_Saint
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    Check out the FBI's website. They list exactly what kinds of college dgrees they are looking for. Dare I say that "experience" is overrated. Most applicants have experience, but most don't have college degrees that agencies are looking for. Unless you have alot of experience, then you aren't really setting yourself apart. Thats why the FBI and other agencies have bothered to list those fields of study on their websites.
    Last edited by Cyber_Saint; 01-19-2011, 08:23 AM.

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  • Bearcat357
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    What kind of "1811" job do you want...? EVERY FLEO Agency has a different mission.....

    Once you figure that out....go from there.....

    As other stated, any job (with this economy) will help you....shows you can pay your bills and keep a job.....

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  • SHU
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    You can learn a lot about the reality of the criminal justice system, and criminals in the BOP. If your ultimate goal is a CI job then you should try the BOP. It is not an easy job.

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  • jersey eagle
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    wolal:

    I wouldn't sell yourself short on your educational experience. Alot of the positions listed above only require a 4 year degree. Since you have a Masters I would say this is definattly a plus and something that would absolutely help you in the hiring process. As for current positions open they are somewhat hard to comeby because it seems as though tens of thousands of individuals are in the same boat and also looking to get a foot in the door so to speak. My approach is to apply to as many as feasible, and see what you get back from these agencies. The most abundant jobs from what I have found are definattly in corrections. Alot of people aren't necessarily cut out for corrections, or want to work in that type of environment but all in all its a start.

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  • AZDesertRat
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    I agree with Dixon on a BOP or FLEO position that will stop your clock. If you still have ten years or more before the cut-off, any federal position will help you down the road and gain you years in FERS and TSP. I would say USSS-UD or CP would be a good place to start with LEO apps. While it may not be as good as a LEO position, an analyst position with the agency you desire to work for can help you by possibly opening you up to internal announcements. These don't always open for initial LEO positions, but it couldn't hurt either. You can write off most park ranger positions unless you have already completed a seasonal academy for NPS.

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