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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by wolal View Post
    *Usually, law Enforcement experience is best with security experience probably a distant second.
    Depends on what you mean by "security." If you mean being a private security guard with no LE skill sets gained, I'd say you're more than a bit off the mark.

    Originally posted by irishlad2nv
    Yep a masters will only get you a GS-7 according to OPM and a PHD or equivalent doctoral degree will get you a GS-9...
    Is that a recent change by OPM? I ask because when I was hired over 3 years ago I was given GS-09 because I had a MS (also seems to contradict what's listed on OPM's USAJobs website, unless for some reason it hasn't been properly updated: http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/EI/qualif...quirements.asp).
    Last edited by Kimble; 01-07-2011, 08:44 PM.

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  • irishlad2nv
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    Yep a masters will only get you a GS-7 according to OPM and a PHD or equivalent doctoral degree will get you a GS-9...

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  • JLO88
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    I believe a Master's degree gets you GS7, not GS9.

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  • chadliey
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    Your graduate degree along qualifies you for a GS9. That will get your foot in the door with almost any agency with exception fo those that require a specific skill set, i.e. FBI currently. If you want an 1811 position I suggest not putting all your eggs in one basket. Fine the agencies that you could uphold their mission statement and do a little research. For example, if you don't want to travel the world and live in foreign countries don't apply for DSS. In my opinion the paper resume gets you in the door, your test score gets you to the next step if it's good (sometimes good enough), and it's during your structured interview/writing assessment where your package starts comign together as an applicant. If I could offer anything it would be this: apply as a GS9 with your graduate degree (should not be any problem getting a conditional offer), take the test and do well, and practice your interviewing skills. Unsure why all the debate about TSA, border patrol, etc. If you want an 1811 position, and your graduate degree makes you more than qualified to apply as a GS9, then do it and do it well. Best of luck.

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  • wolal
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    Just to reiterate (and make sure I have my facts straight ...

    The following qualifications are regarded as most important:
    -Military Service
    -Education
    -Relevant Job Experience (should match with agency's mission or the KSA's provided in the job announcement):
    *Usually, law Enforcement experience is best with security experience probably a distant second.
    -Language Skills (could be valued even more when language is a key aspect of the job like with Border Patrol, maybe ICE?)

    I know the above summary is an extreme oversimplification, but the hiring process for federal lea's appears to be quite random. Is this about right?

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  • Zach Smith
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    Edit......
    Last edited by Zach Smith; 12-31-2012, 04:25 AM.

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  • AZDesertRat
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    As others have said, you have a real mix and it all depends on the agency, and the hiring authority used at the time of announcement.

    You can be scored based on KSA's, keywords (resumix), and pre-employment testing. Some agencies will use more than one of these tools and some have other tools that OPM allows them to use.

    Simply put, there is no one easy way to apply for all FLEO positions using one resume or skill set. You need to know what the agency does, what it's priorities are, and how best to sell yourself to the mission. Perhaps the simplest way to do this is to read the announcement. This will tell you if KSA's or pre-employment testing will be used or required. If so, follow the instructions in the announcement. If not, assume resumix will be used unless you see something saying "hiring done under excepted service hiring authorities." Resumix is a real beast to attempt to explain, but a good start is to read the announcement, and make sure you put in your resume all keywords and phrases in the announcement qualifications and background sections.

    Now take all that, and add the rule of three, vet-preference, disability, and more and you have reached the lobby of what is the empire state building of Federal HR policy.

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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by wolal View Post
    Good Advice. Thanks! I will revise my resume accordingly. Anyone have an opinion on to what extent completion of some law enforcement training courses will help one's resume?
    What do you mean by "law enforcement training courses?" Do you mean a police academy? If so, that's nice and all, but actual working experience in LE instead of just training alone would be preferred. If you're talking about college courses (like CJ classes) I wouldn't recommend getting in more tuition debt by taking CJ courses as they won't help much for someone like yourself who already has a degree.

    Originally posted by Zach Smith View Post
    The degree is good and what stood out to me was the intermediate proficiency in Spanish. This leads me into advising you to consider DHS/TSA. TSA is currently hiring what seems to be only/mostly part-time agents. Apply, test, and try to get onto a local airport part-time. This gives you some security experience and also has you working for DHS. It's not law enforcement, but its something.
    Nothing personal against you, Zach Smith, I'm sure you mean well, but I couldn't not disagree more with the above if you're advising someone interested in working in federal law enforcement to apply and work as a TSA screener. It is "something" but not something that would develop skills that would increase their overall competitiveness for a LE job in another federal agency. I do know several federal agents, a number with my own agency, who worked previously with TSA as air marshals, but that's a totally different job from being a screener and is an actual law enforcement position. Being a screener is honest work and I'm not knocking those who do this job, but one would be better served being a local or state cop prior to going federal than going to TSA as a screener.

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  • CBPO I
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    Some of my friends favorite words came to mind when I wrote that such as nepotism and cronyism. Sadly and often is closer to the truth than we would like to believe.

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  • nordy racer
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    Originally posted by CBPO I View Post
    Well let's see here... don't tell anyone about this, it's supposed to remain at the HQ levels only.

    Normal Review Scoring for Federal Jobs:

    Question 4.
    Does the applicant have any prior Law Enforcement Experience?
    Yes, Prior local cop= 3 points
    Yes, Prior FBI= Must be an error, check again
    Yes, Prior DEA= 2 points
    Yes, Prior ATF= 2 points
    Yes, Prior SS= 1 point
    Yes, Prior CBP= 0 points
    Yes, Prior TSA= -4 points
    Yes, All others= 1 point
    No= 1 point
    This is classic

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  • wolal
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    CBPO I:
    Nice!!! I wish it were that easy Maybe, it is more like the throwing darts pic?

    Zach, Thanks for the advice. I appreciate your guidance on a career path. I will certainly follow it. I noticed some openings locally and will pursue.

    Thanks.

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  • CBPO I
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    Originally posted by wolal View Post
    Hello All,

    Like so many of us, I am aspiring to begin my career in law enforcement. I have submitted applications to those agencies with openings, but would like to gain a better understanding on how applications are scored.

    I know that education, military service, and work experience are looked at mainly. In my case, I have a B.S. and M.S. in Justice, no military service, and 8 years of work experience in the public sector (albeit not in anything related to law enforcement). How would I be scored?

    Also, to what extent are things like language skills regarded by hiring managers?

    Many Thanks,
    Wolal
    Well let's see here... don't tell anyone about this, it's supposed to remain at the HQ levels only.

    Normal Review Scoring for Federal Jobs:
    Question 1.
    Is one of the applicant's family members a previous employee of the agency or some other agency?
    Yes=15 points
    No=0 points

    Question 2.
    Are any of the managers/supervisors/directors of the applicant's agency a friend, neighbor, or close associate?
    Yes=15 points
    No=-1 point

    Question 3.
    Does the applicant have a college degree?
    Yes, Masters or higher= 3 points
    Yes, Bachelors= 2 points
    Yes, Associates=-1 point
    No= 0
    Note: If the answer to questions 1 or 2 is yes, then add 10 points to the total question score

    Question 4.
    Does the applicant have any prior Law Enforcement Experience?
    Yes, Prior local cop= 3 points
    Yes, Prior FBI= Must be an error, check again
    Yes, Prior DEA= 2 points
    Yes, Prior ATF= 2 points
    Yes, Prior SS= 1 point
    Yes, Prior CBP= 0 points
    Yes, Prior TSA= -4 points
    Yes, All others= 1 point
    No= 1 point

    Question 5.
    Does the applicant have prior Military Experience?
    Yes, Wartime Vet= 10 points
    Yes, Marine, non-wartime=4 points
    Yes, Army Ranger, non-wartime= 5 points
    Yes, Navy Seal, non-wartime= 5 points
    Yes, Army, non-wartime= 2 points
    Yes, Navy, non-wartime= 1 point
    Yes, Air Force, non-wartime= -1 point
    Yes, All others, non-wartime= 1 point
    No= 0 points



    There's more but this should give you an idea how the fed government works. Anything over 15 points get's you in the door
    Last edited by CBPO I; 01-06-2011, 07:05 PM.

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  • Zach Smith
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    Originally posted by wolal View Post
    Good Advice. Thanks! I will revise my resume accordingly. Anyone have an opinion on to what extent completion of some law enforcement training courses will help one's resume?
    The degree is good and what stood out to me was the intermediate proficiency in Spanish. This leads me into advising you to consider DHS/TSA. TSA is currently hiring what seems to be only/mostly part-time agents. Apply, test, and try to get onto a local airport part-time. This gives you some security experience and also has you working for DHS. It's not law enforcement, but its something.

    Then at the same time apply to CBP and continue working on your Spanish fluency. The degree and language seem like a good combination and having the TSA experience could be a good blend. I'm personally waiting for TSA part-time positions to open in my area to make that a part-time job. I applied and tested and am just waiting for something within a 50 mile radius.

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  • wolal
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    .................
    Last edited by wolal; 01-06-2011, 05:26 PM. Reason: Duplicate

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  • wolal
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    Good Advice. Thanks! I will revise my resume accordingly. Anyone have an opinion on to what extent completion of some law enforcement training courses will help one's resume?

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