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  • brownj21
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    Originally posted by memphis PO PO View Post
    Yeah, I have to agree you are not going to find to many feds that do homocide, robbery, assault investigations, as those are state crimes and the feds would just defer to the states. There are USC codes (federal) for murder etc., but I would bet they are not used too much by agencies outside of the military ones listed above. I doubt the FBI would take a homocide case unless it was VERY high profile (but I could be wrong). Believe it or not, but what you see on TV when you have two different agencies yelling and screaming at each other that it is their case and their jurisdiction is the complete opposite. They are instead arguing that its the other guys job and that they are NOT taking it.

    Her best bet would be a state agency that is primarily investigations such as the TBI (Tenn, Bureau of Investigation) GBI (Georgia), KBI (Kansas) FDLE (Florida), MBI (Mississippi), etc. I am not sure if every state has an agency that is pure investigation without having to go through state trooper (DPS), but alot have them that you hire directly on. Good Luck.
    ^ Agreed. (GBI agent here).

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  • Plainsmen
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    Originally posted by Investigator 26
    I wouldn't have been nearly as successful as a detective if I wasn't a street cop first. That is the best way to learn. It may not be what she wants but she will be way better off starting out as a patrol cop then moving up to investigations.
    Absolutely... I've seen kids just out of school trying to do rape/assault investigations while the family is going crazy. They're a deer in the headlights.

    Of course one good patrolman takes the place of about 5 of us investigators.

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  • Plainsmen
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    The Bureau of Indian Affairs - Office of Justice Services 1811's investigate all the violent crime you'll ever want.

    A lot of the time BIA 1811's are in rotation with the FBI agents for callout on the reservations.

    The FBI agents that work on reservations can attest to how much "real" crime they work on. Enough to where the FBI is considering many reservation duty stations to be "hardship" duty stations with the agents choice of openings after working the rez for so long.

    Might be harder for her to get into without prior LE experience though, but with her degree she'd probably be qualified.

    There's a couple open on USA jobs right now.

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  • mikeymedic
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    Tell here to be on the look out for a position with CBI. Does she have her Colorado POST?

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  • ProtectandServe
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    I talked to my buddy about the Criminal Investigator for the DA's idea and he said he knows people down there and they are actually looking for a few. Granted, it's for the defense side, but experience is experience.

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  • Double123
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    she needs to learn how to walk before she tries to run. by taking somebody with no experience and putting them in that position your doing a disservice to the citizens you're serving, they deserve the most experienced best people out there, not to have their case handled by somebody who is still learning how to be a cop. just my .02
    +1. Some of the experience, knowledge of the law, "people skills", reporting writing, investigative skills, and other training can only be obtained by working your way up. Plus, many of the state agencies that were previously listed require you to have state certification. To have a real shot at getting hired, you better have good experience.

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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by ICEAGENT View Post
    Good point, forgot about the MCIO's. I work with a former NCIS agent who worked a lot of assaults, rapes, murders, etc. Yes, apparently that stuff happens regularly on military bases and vessels.
    As a NCIS agent, I can say firsthand I've worked quite a bit of this stuff (on-base, off-base and on ships), and I've been on less than 5 years. But as I said before, and many others have echoed, if you want to working nothing but traditional violent crimes (homicide, robbery, rape, etc.), and a lot of them, being a local detective or agent with a state police agency would be the best route. Both at the local and state levels, you'll likely have to start off working patrol (and actually learning how to be a cop first) before going on to an investigative gig (though some state agencies, like Georgia's GBI or Florida's FDLE, do not have patrol divisions, as state highway patrol for their states actually fall under a separate agency).
    Last edited by Kimble; 07-29-2010, 02:28 PM.

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  • irishlad2nv
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    Originally posted by ProtectandServe View Post
    Thanks guys, lots of good options. My buddy actually suggested OSI, and there's something like 6 or so Air Force bases around here even though they would probably send her to the middle of nowhere just because.
    And they suggested OSI because they investigate violent Crimes? I seriously think your "girl" needs to look at applying for a local agency. Thing is what experience does she have to bring to a Federal agency? A degree and yet she "wants" a certain type of LE. Well she needs to stop watching too much Criminal Minds and focus on actually gettting hired. If she didn't get hired by the FBI, even though they said because of her degree, I doubt she will get picked up by another Fed LE agency. Either way, she needs to start at the bottom somewhere. She can always go work private security somewhere, middle east perhaps...

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  • izamsilas
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    I've never worked with a DA investigator that wasn't a cop first. Actually, when I worked in California they all required POST cert...most likely the same for Colorado. They poach from the PDs. I would suggest she focus on what type of gig she wants to work and worry about WHAT she works after getting the gig. Investigator? Cool...get picked up as an investigator, etc...

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  • memphis PO PO
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    Yeah, I have to agree you are not going to find to many feds that do homocide, robbery, assault investigations, as those are state crimes and the feds would just defer to the states. There are USC codes (federal) for murder etc., but I would bet they are not used too much by agencies outside of the military ones listed above. I doubt the FBI would take a homocide case unless it was VERY high profile (but I could be wrong). Believe it or not, but what you see on TV when you have two different agencies yelling and screaming at each other that it is their case and their jurisdiction is the complete opposite. They are instead arguing that its the other guys job and that they are NOT taking it.

    Her best bet would be a state agency that is primarily investigations such as the TBI (Tenn, Bureau of Investigation) GBI (Georgia), KBI (Kansas) FDLE (Florida), MBI (Mississippi), etc. I am not sure if every state has an agency that is pure investigation without having to go through state trooper (DPS), but alot have them that you hire directly on. Good Luck.

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  • ProtectandServe
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    Thanks guys, lots of good options. My buddy actually suggested OSI, and there's something like 6 or so Air Force bases around here even though they would probably send her to the middle of nowhere just because.

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  • UD4LIFE
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    As others stated, a large city department (NYPD/Baltimore City/etc) or FULL SERVICE state police agency like PSP/NYSP/etc might be a better fit.

    You will need to start on the road/patrol but sky is the limit. For example, an investigative Trooper in PA will work TONS of violent crime cases.

    Or...on the federal side you can look at US Park Police, they might be a good fit. If you are not familiar with USPP the name will throw you off but there is tons of federal land around DC with major crime issues

    Originally posted by ICEAGENT View Post
    Good point, forgot about the MCIO's. I work with a former NCIS agent who worked a lot of assaults, rapes, murders, etc. Yes, apparently that stuff happens regularly on military bases and vessels.

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  • ICEAGENT
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    Originally posted by Kimble View Post
    Or you could do all this as a special agent with a military federal law enforcement agency (ex: NCIS, OSI, Army CID, and CGIS), though you won't work nearly the volume of cases as a fed with one of them as you would as a local detective in a large city (even at the larger military bases around the world).
    Good point, forgot about the MCIO's. I work with a former NCIS agent who worked a lot of assaults, rapes, murders, etc. Yes, apparently that stuff happens regularly on military bases and vessels.

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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by Double123 View Post
    If by Violent Crime you mean Murder, Robbery, Sex Assualt......a police detective would be the way to go.
    Or you could do all this as a special agent with a military federal law enforcement agency (ex: NCIS, OSI, Army CID, and CGIS), though you won't work nearly the volume of cases as a fed with one of them as you would as a local detective in a large city (even at the larger military bases around the world). Not to say you couldn't also investigate a matter involving murder, robbery, sexual assault, etc. as an agent with ATF, DEA, US Marshals, Postal Inspection Service, or any number of other federal outfits, but feds in those agencies are usually their because of their specialization (i.e. ATF = guns, DEA = drugs, Marshals = fugitives, etc.), vice being charged with working offenses that are traditionally violations of state laws (ex: murder, sexual assaults, rape, etc).

    However, if your friend wants to be an FBI agent, the only way to do that is to apply to FBI, but they are far from the only outfit doing federal criminal investigations.

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  • RoadKingTrooper
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    Originally posted by ICEAGENT View Post
    One option is to apply for investigator positions at the county DA or state AG's offices. They usually want people with prior LE experience but the masters might get her in the door too.

    Violent crimes are typically not investigated by the feds. The FBI does assist on major violent crime cases but the bulk of what they do are federal investigations, like public corruption, white collar, fraud, terrorism, etc.

    USMS does not investigate violent crimes, they mostly chase fugitives and protect the courthouses.

    IMO with her resume she would be wasting her time becoming a support staffer at the FBI. I know you said she doesn't want to be a patrol officer, but by far her best bet if she wants to do violent crime cases is to join a major city police department and work her way up to detective (or get hired as a DA investigator).


    Yup, no entry level Federal jobs for violent crime. Pretty much gotta work your way up. ICEAGENT is right, large PD, SO or DA's office

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